Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: WVUA FM, Tuscaloosa.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: Hello, everybody.
This is WVUA 90.7 FM, the Capstone. And welcome to episode 56 of the full court press podcast. My name is Jamie Martinez and I'm joined by Nick Atkinson and Kaden Johnson. This is the first episode of the Kaden Johnson era. Rest in peace, Alex. Jason, he's not dead, but he's gone. In our memories, Kaden's here filling in the role. It's gonna be good to stay up to date. Make sure to follow us on Instagram at FCP podcast underscore UA. With that being said, let's get into it with the news. It's a heavy news week this week. We've been gone for a while, but there is a lot going on in the NBA.
Big trade happened today. We'll get into that in a little bit. But let's start with some injury news out in Memphis. Desmond Bain, star shooting guard from the Grizzlies, is out for six weeks with an ankle injury. It sucks to see that is per Adrian Wojanrowski. Nick, what do you think about that injury? It's a big hit to a struggling team without.
[00:01:09] Speaker A: Yeah, you know, it could be pretty bad, especially because they already don't have too many healthy players as it.
You know, it just makes them look even worse. I mean, I don't know if they have their pick, but if they do have their pick, then I guess that's a good, positive thing.
[00:01:22] Speaker B: Kaden, what do you think?
[00:01:23] Speaker C: Yeah, I don't know. I think this season's kind of becoming more and more of a wash for Memphis, especially with jaw being out for the rest of the season. I know Marcus Smart hasn't been fully healthy, so it's really just going to be the JJJ show from here on.
[00:01:36] Speaker B: Yeah, it is. Williams Jr. And Gigi Jackson really showed out against Golden State in the game. They won. Gigi had, I think, 22, 23. Yeah, he went crazy as the youngest player in the NBA. So a lot to look forward to from the young guard.
Nick, let's jump into your news real quick. What you got?
[00:01:56] Speaker A: Okay.
Avitza Zubach. He has an injury. It's a calf strain. He'll be out for four weeks. He'll be reevaluated in four weeks.
The Clippers beat the Thunder last night, so I don't know if we necessarily need him that much, but he's definitely a big piece to lose for sure. And then it's not necessarily confirmed yet, but the Clippers want to retain the core being Westbrook, Paul Jordan Harden, already with having signed Kawhi to a three year max deal. They want to retain all them for three more years as so.
[00:02:27] Speaker C: All right, and from my end, I got Victor women Yama has committed to participating in the All Star skills challenge during the All Star weekend in Indianapolis. And for the Milwaukee Bucks, Jay Crowder, who's been out for two months after having core muscle surgery, is going to be back tonight against big, big news.
[00:02:45] Speaker B: All right, let's get into the big dog. The trade. Originally I had just rumors here, but it's officially official as of earlier today, Pascal Siakam of the Toronto Raptors, former All Star NBA champion in 2019, is being traded to the Indiana Pacers. Here's the report from Adrian Wojanarowski. The Indiana Pacers are finalizing a trade to acquire all star forward Pascal Siakam in a deal that will send Bruce Brown, Jordan War and three first round picks to the Toronto Raptors. New Orleans, who is also a part of the deal, will be a third team, sending Kyra Lewis to the Raptors and a second round pick to the Pacers. I mean, that is huge.
Indiana or they just got a lot better. And I think the Raptors get a lot better from this as they got their young core going. What do y'all think about this? Because this is big time NBA trade news.
[00:03:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I think it'll be really a really solid pickup for, you know, what's his face is going to be out for a.
So, yeah, you know, it's not going to be good whenever he's hurt. You also traded Bruce Brown whenever you should have traded budy. Healed, I think.
[00:03:50] Speaker B: Definitely, yeah.
[00:03:51] Speaker C: I don't know. I think Siakam suits Halliburton's style of play really well. I think Siakam is going to have to play a little bit more off the ball post centric wise. But for the Pacers, I think this could jump them up to potentially. If Halliburton can come back healthy as he was before the injury, they could potentially snag the four seat. I think. I don't think it's crazy to say that.
[00:04:14] Speaker B: No. I mean, Tyrese Halver is in the middle of having a career year in every statistical category. He's scoring insane. His three point shooting is crazy. He's the best playmaker in basketball. And you add Pascal Siakan with that, who I think is going to greatly benefit from that.
The Pacers are already a solid team, and adding Pascal Siakam, it's phenomenal. It makes them a contender in my eyes. Losing three first round picks obviously is going to suck. Trading Bruce? Yeah, that's true. Trading Bruce Brown I don't think was the greatest idea, especially because they just got him and I think he was playing well. I would have traded buddy healed because his role was diminishing a little bit on the team. So it's definitely a big time deal. It's going to be interesting to see how everything pans out and shout out Kyra Lewis. Maybe he'll find some minutes out in Toronto, so good for him. And then we also do have some other news regarding the Golden State Warriors.
Warriors assistant coach Dejan Milojovich, I'm sorry if I'mispronouncing his name, passed away today at 46 years old from complications of a heart attack. All of that happened today. The original news came out of him being found unconscious this morning. And then just about an hour ago we found out he passed away. The Golden State warriors and Utah Jazz game has been postponed for today, so prayers up to the family and hopefully Golden State recovers. Super unfortunate news. Anything you all have to add on to that?
[00:05:39] Speaker C: Not much, no.
[00:05:41] Speaker A: Honestly.
[00:05:41] Speaker C: Sorry to hear hate when anybody in the NBA world dies suddenly like that.
[00:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah, especially at 46. That's extremely young. But now let's have some fun. We're onto our main segment. Top ten players at every position. We're going to get this series going. In this episode we have our all time rankings individually for our top ten point guards and top ten shooting guards. Next episode we're going to move on to small forwards and power forwards. After that will be centers and 6th men. So guys, let's get it rolling. Top ten players of all time. Let's start with the point guards. Nick, we'll go Nick Kaden. Me.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: So we'll just do ten.
All right, cool. All right, my number ten.
Okay, so I'll just go ahead and start off with some honorable mentions. My two honorable mentions are Tony Parker and Walt Frazier.
[00:06:32] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: And then number ten, I have Gary Payton. So the ring does help his case a little bit more, but he's not really great.
He's not really a great. What's it called? Like first option go to type of guy. But I mean, he won overing and he had a pretty good prime. One of the best defenders of all.
[00:06:50] Speaker B: Time, him and Sean Kemp. They were nasty.
[00:06:53] Speaker C: All right, for my honorable mentions, Walt Fraser and Gary Payton. As Nick just said, I actually have him as an honorable mention. And my number ten, which could come as a surprise to you all. I think you all might be a little bit higher on this guy than me. I have Isaiah Thomas at.
[00:07:07] Speaker B: Wow, interesting.
[00:07:09] Speaker C: Nick brought it up this point the other day. Isaiah Thomas never really played at like an MVP level. And I think a lot of the guys that I have on my list did play. So as individual players, like skill set wise, I think everybody that I have on my list above Isaiah Thomas is a better player than Isaiah Thomas. But he does have those two rings, which were two great rings, and he had a really solid career. Twelve time all star, two time champ, five time all NBA.
[00:07:33] Speaker B: Yeah. So moving on to my guards, my honorable mentions are the exact same as cadence. I have Gary Payton and Walt Fraser. My number ten, I feel like might also come as a surprise.
I don't know if you're going to have him higher or lower, but I have Bob Koozie.
He's one of the all time greats of basketball. Yes, he played against plumbers and all this and that, but you can't disregard the fact he has all the rings. He has ten of them. He's got mvps, a bunch of all NBA selections.
The numbers back it up. Bob Koozie, despite playing against you think.
[00:08:06] Speaker A: Numbers back it up.
[00:08:07] Speaker B: Numbers back it up. I mean, he averaged 18.4 points a game in his career. Seven assists, five rebounds.
[00:08:13] Speaker A: Great. Yeah.
[00:08:14] Speaker B: So, I mean, you can't disregard the rings in the All NBAs and the MVPs. So I got to give it to Bob. It's just ten. I still think there's nine guys over him.
[00:08:23] Speaker A: All right.
[00:08:23] Speaker C: Shout out Bob Koozie.
[00:08:24] Speaker A: Number nine. Looks like me and you have the same guy at number nine, Jamie. I have Jason Kidd at number nine. I really would do wish I could have him higher, but the guy I have above him I think will be a really hot take. But, yeah, Jason Kidd, he's really solid. Never won an MVP, which really surprised me because I thought he did win MVP, but he didn't. But he does have a ring, unlike the guy ahead of him.
[00:08:47] Speaker C: Yeah. My number nine, just like Jamie's number ten. I have Bob Koozie at number nine.
I think that Koozie's resume, although it's obviously in the necessarily the golden era of basketball, I think it's too strong to not at least give him his props for dominating at the time that he played. He can't help when he played, obviously. And it's not like he had bad numbers either. He was scoring 20 points per game through his prime and even almost had ten assists per game one season as well. 13 time All Star eight time assist champ, six time NBA champ, and he won an MVP.
[00:09:22] Speaker B: All right, moving on to my number nine. Like Nick said earlier, I have Jason Frederick Kidd, Mr. Triple double, according to his basketball reference, Jake Kidd, he did it all. And I think he goes very underappreciated when he goes.
When you think of the all time point guards, I think Jason Kidd is very underappreciated. He's got the ring. He led the Nets to the NBA Finals, kind of on his own. He was an MVP candidate during those years. He had Kenyan Martin, but really, that was Jason Kidd putting the team on his back. Obviously, he lost to Shaq and Kobe. There's not much you could do there. But Jason Kidd, ten time all star, five time assist champ, six time all NBA and a champion all rookie team, he has all these accomplishments. He's my number nine point guard of all time. Jason kiddie's a beast.
[00:10:07] Speaker A: All right. Number eight, I have Chris Paul. Interesting.
[00:10:11] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: Just not a great first option player. And I think to be a good a top five player, you've got to be a solid first option player, which he was. Not a solid first option player. He's a great playmaker. Not a great score, not an outstanding defender. Has no playoff success. I mean, he's one finals run, but the most blown three one leads of all time really discredits him to me.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: There you go.
[00:10:36] Speaker A: Big Chris Paul Hader. I'm just kidding.
[00:10:39] Speaker C: Number eight, I have J kid.
He's one of the best defensive point guards of all time, just like Gary Payton. He's a nine time all defender. He got him a rink, one of the most valuable rings, some would argue, of all time as well. He contributed every single team he was on, and he had the longevity. So I've got Jake hit at number eight.
[00:10:59] Speaker B: All right. My number eight is John Houston Stockton, one of the all time greats, unfortunately, never won a ring as he was kind of going against the greatest of all time.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: He's overrated.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: John Stockton. Yeah, he's kind of like the greatest playmaker of all time, but I could see the standpoint of him being overrated. I could see where somebody's coming from.
[00:11:22] Speaker C: You are not going to like where I have.
[00:11:25] Speaker A: I haven't even said him yet.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: But again, no ring. Even when he had MVP Carl Malone as his teammate, but ten time all star, nine time assist champion, eleven times all NBA former all star MVP. So there's that five time all defensive. So John Stockton was a beast for those Utah Jazz teams, but could never get the big one. So that's why I got him at number eight.
[00:11:46] Speaker A: All right, number seven, I have, you know, just not an MVP level. Know, I feel like Joe Dumars, Mark McGuire, Bill Lambier, they had so many good options on that team to where he didn't have any sort of pressure on him to be like a premier. Know. They just kind of went with it, you know, definitely solid player. Just wasn't an MVP caliber player, but better than Chris Paul because he was a first option and he won rings and didn't get blow through one leads.
[00:12:19] Speaker B: All right.
[00:12:20] Speaker C: At number seven, I have Nick's favorite player, the point God, Chris Paul. Okay, I have him. At number seven, he's a twelve time all star, six time steel champ, eleven time all NBA, nine time all defensive team. Yeah, he's got the resume for sure. I think as an individual player, though, he's not necessarily going to take you anywhere in the playoffs, even at the height of his career, as a number one option on a team. But that being said, you don't have to be the number one option to be one of the greatest players of all time. I think Chris Paul's proven that with his playmaking ability and what he can bring to him, to the table, outside of scoring.
[00:12:57] Speaker B: Real talk. All right, my number seven is also the greatest point guard of the. Chris Paul, he's a beast. There's nothing much to say about it. He is a beast.
[00:13:10] Speaker A: What is he a beast at?
[00:13:11] Speaker B: Hey, man, don't hate. When he was in New Orleans, he posterized Dwight Howard, that one time traditional.
[00:13:16] Speaker C: Point guard of all time.
[00:13:17] Speaker B: Yes, he is. Yeah, he's the most traditional point guard of all time, but you can't blame him. Chris Paul, he did what he did only one finals appearance, and he wasn't the number one option on that team. That was Devin Booker. But Chris Paul, he's been good his whole career. He was phenomenal in New Orleans, phenomenal in LA. He's been great wherever he goes, whatever team he goes to, wins basketball games, except Golden State, because they're a mess. But that's not really Chris Paul's fault. So shout out cp three. He's a machine.
[00:13:45] Speaker A: Okay, what is this? Six? Number six.
[00:13:47] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:47] Speaker A: All right, this is where I have John Stockton.
The next two guys, I feel like could be interchangeable, but I'm going to say, just because this guy has mvps on him, I'm putting Stockton behind him. Yeah, kind of just like you were saying, great playmaker. What do you have, like two or three finals appearances?
[00:14:05] Speaker C: So that's pretty good.
[00:14:05] Speaker A: That makes up for his case a lot. Carl Malone's the third leading scorer of all time, so without Stockton, I doubt that he can do that.
[00:14:14] Speaker C: All right, well, y'all probably agree the point guard list was significantly harder to make than the shooting guard list. And this is probably, for me, at least it was. And this is probably where I had the most trouble, is right here in this four to six range.
[00:14:26] Speaker B: Yeah, me, too.
[00:14:27] Speaker C: I think four to six could all be interchangeable for sure. But as of right now, I am going to go Russell Westbrook as number six at number six. But I will say if he does get a ring this year, he is contributing with Los Angeles. If he does get a ring this year, that could propel him.
You can make an argument that it could propel him to number three. Yeah, that's what I was saying. But yeah, one of the best stat sheet stuffers of all time. He does absolutely everything that you can ask for him to do on the basketball court. Well, he gets his teammate involved. He elevates players like point guards we have never seen before, other than maybe Chris Paul and magic. And with that being said, russell Westbrook, he's had the longevity. He's an MVP. I have him at number six right now.
[00:15:15] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot. Like kind of this stretch from four to six was know you could put anybody anywhere and it would kind of work out. But at six, it was tough, but I had to do South Africa's very on Steve Nash, it was really tough because I was debating between him and Isaiah Thomas going in that five six spot, but I picked Nash because he has those two mvps, albeit debatable, between who could have won those. I know Kobe disputed it and so did Shaq a whole lot, but Steve Nash won those mvps at the end of the day. But he didn't really get the playoff success that we really expect from an all time point guard. He would be higher if he had gotten a ring, but he never did. He's an eight time all star, five time assist champ, seven times all NBA and a part of the NBA 75th anniversary team. So no doubt about it, Steve Nash is one of the all time greats. Phenomenal shooter, even though he didn't shoot enough, one of the greatest passers of all time could defend the ball when he needed to. But Steve Nash, for me, lands at number six because of the playoff success, and it just wasn't where I needed it to be for me to rank him higher.
[00:16:19] Speaker A: All right, well, number five, this is where I have Steve Nash and I'll just say the main reason as to why he is five and not higher. Just because, like you said, playoff success never made it to the Western Conference finals or Eastern Conference finals with some stacked teams.
[00:16:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: Just never really got to that point. But he still has two mvps and multiple assist titles.
What's it called?
Multiple all star appearances, stuff like that. Amari Stottemeyer was never as good as he was after he left. Same with. So, you know, he definitely elevates players. And he was Steph Curry before.
[00:16:53] Speaker B: Yep, yep.
[00:16:55] Speaker C: At number five, I have MV Steve as well.
Yeah, I mean, two time MVP. A lot of know go back and forth about those mvps, but whether you're liking or not, he was the best point guard in the NBA for a significant amount of time. And he's one of the best point guards in history. One of the best playmakers in history. And like Nick said, he was a sharpshooter before it was really popular for point guards to be sharpshooters.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: All right, moving on to my five. This is where I have Isaiah Thomas. Like I said earlier, it's pretty much the exact opposite of Steve Nash. Where Isaiah Thomas didn't have as much individual success despite having more All Stars without the mvps. But he does have the rings to back it up. Two time NBA champion. He was out there beating up Michael Jordan when he was young. Twelve time all star assist champion once. Five time All NBA, two time All Star MVP and a Finals MVP in 89 to 90. So, Zeke, he did everything you want out of a point guard. He scored. He toughed it out in so many appearances, 19.2 points per game, as in his career average. So he was phenomenal. And Isaiah Thomas, I got to give it to him. He was the bad boy. Piston.
[00:18:06] Speaker A: All right, number four.
I don't know.
I had to be, like, a little humble, but I put Russell Westbrook.
I do think that there's a really huge case for him to be over Oscar Robertson, just because, I don't know, his counting stats look better, and he didn't play with Kareem. But nevertheless, I do think once Westbrook gets the title, and that'll be this, all that, he'll be three. And not to take away from the fact that he's top ten in assist and top 25 in scoring, the second player to do that, he's number four.
[00:18:45] Speaker C: Now, number four for me, I have John Stockton, NBA's full time leader in assist and steals. Nick knows this. I'm super high on John Stockton. I think the only reason he couldn't get over that championship hump is because he had to go against the greatest player of all.
Know if Michael Jordan was never born, John Stockton's probably like a two or three time NBA champ. Probably Carl Malone. I think he's one of the best playmakers of all time. I think him and Carl Malone is a duo that works together better than almost any duo we've ever seen in the NBA. So for John Stockton, another guy that's just a good traditional point guard, and he did his job extremely well and did it well for 19 years. So I have John Sockton at four.
[00:19:28] Speaker B: All right, my number four, the Brody, Russ, Beast Brook, the actual Mr. Triple double is Russell Westbrook the third.
I mean, when you say Beast, Russell Westbrook kind of takes that to another level. In my opinion, the greatest MVP season of all time. He's a nine time all star, two time scoring champion, despite being almost a primary playmaker, if you want to look at it, he could do anything on the court. Three time assist champion, nine times all NBA, two time all star MVP, and an actual mvp in 2016 to 17. So, I mean, Russell Westbrook has done it all except get the big one. He's been to the finals, unlike somebody like Steve Nash and Chris Paul.
[00:20:09] Speaker A: Never mind.
[00:20:09] Speaker B: Never mind. But Russell Westbrook, what differentiates him from Chris Paul is Russell Westbrook was the main guy behind that finals run. Yeah, he had Kevin Durant, but Westbrook was a way better contributor to that team than Chris Paul was because Devin Booker was going crazy in that finals run, and they still lost.
But Westbrook, he's my number four, one of the all time greats, and his career is still going. So we'll see if he can get that ring this year because it's looking like if he's going to get one, it'll be either this year or next year. So it's going to be a fun time. So, number three, I'm assuming we all have the same guy.
[00:20:41] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: I tell you, the next three, we all. No way.
[00:20:45] Speaker B: I think one and two can definitely be interchanged, but I guess we could talk about number three as a collective, because it's all.
Yeah, yeah. Let's just talk about why Oscar Robertson is that three. Nick, why don't you start us off?
[00:20:59] Speaker A: Well, I don't know. Part of me doesn't want him to be three, but he was Westbrook before.
[00:21:09] Speaker B: Just.
[00:21:10] Speaker A: He was a solid, solid guy.
[00:21:11] Speaker C: He won a title, lots of triple doubles.
[00:21:14] Speaker A: Yeah, apparently. Right.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: His name on here is also Mr. Triple double. That's the third one oh, Jokic too. Yeah.
[00:21:21] Speaker C: But yeah, Oscar, he's played over 1000 games. I can't think of many NBA players that have played over 1000 games and have a career average of 25, seven and nine. That's pretty insane, especially for the time that he was playing at.
I will say his ring helps a little bit to have an absolute giant, especially for that time on your team, as player, as dominant as Kareem. But he is a twelve time all star. And like I just mentioned, has some of the best numbers of anyone in the history of the NBA.
[00:21:50] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm looking at Oscar Robertson's numbers right here. Through the first eight years of his career, he averaged more than 28 points per game. And six of those were 30 plus. Led the league in assists multiple times. It got as high as 11.5 and he hit eleven four times.
His numbers didn't really decline until he got to Milwaukee. And that's when he teamed up with Kareem and got that ring. So he was dominant throughout his entire career, whether it was a part of the Cincinnati Royals, aka the Kings, or the Milwaukee Bucks. The big O did it great. Wherever he was, he has the MVP eleven times all NBA. A six time assist champ. Twelve time all star Oscar Robertson. When it comes to pure statistics and looking at the paper, it doesn't really get better. The big O was like that. So now we have numbers one and two.
[00:22:36] Speaker C: I think a little bit of a debate.
[00:22:38] Speaker B: I think there could be a debate here, period. Really?
[00:22:42] Speaker C: I do. I think it's insanely close.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: You're arguing, I don't know. For me, you're arguing the third best player of all time with the 10th.
[00:22:49] Speaker B: All right, so what I want to do is I just want Nick and then Kaden, and then I just name your number two or just go two to one.
[00:22:58] Speaker A: Steph is two and magic is one.
[00:23:00] Speaker C: Step two. Magic one.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: Magic two. Step one. Yeah.
[00:23:04] Speaker A: Magic is the third best player of all time in my eyes.
[00:23:07] Speaker B: Really?
Yeah.
[00:23:09] Speaker A: Five rings, three mvps.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean, the first unanimous mvp, nine time all star. He has all the championships in a time period where I think it was harder to win a championship.
Yeah.
[00:23:22] Speaker C: I think we can all agree to.
I think we can all three agree that just in our time of being alive, Steph is like one of the best players that I've ever watched in our generation. With my two eyes.
[00:23:34] Speaker B: Steph Curry is the best player I've ever watched, period.
[00:23:36] Speaker C: With that, it's understandable for our generation to be a little more biased just because obviously we grow up watching all of our favorite teams lose to a 40 foot 310 seconds. Yeah.
[00:23:48] Speaker A: With four all stars on the court, too, at the same time.
[00:23:50] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We all have that Steph experience. I'll never forget watching Steph's shot against OKC. I don't even have to tell you what shot it is. I say Steph shot against OKC.
But I'll also never forget my team just getting absolutely thrashed by Steph, who eventually won his first finals mvp. And then as for Jamie, Jamie's is a little more recent.
[00:24:12] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, first time making the playoffs in 16 years just to get bounced in the first round, to get Steph Curry as 50 in game seven.
[00:24:19] Speaker A: Would you say that the warriors don't look at the Kings as like a big rival?
[00:24:22] Speaker B: It's rivals week and the warriors are facing the Kings. This is a rivalry, if you ask me. This runs deep since, like, last year.
[00:24:30] Speaker C: But, yeah, I'll always say just because of that bias, if I'm making an all time team, I will take Steph over magic. I would rather have Steph than magic on my team. That being said, you look at it, there is a hall of fame career in the difference of Magic's accolades and Steph's accolades. I think that Magic Johnson is definitively the best point guard of all time because he's one of the best players to ever touch basketball.
[00:24:56] Speaker B: I mean, he definitely is. There's no disputing that.
[00:24:59] Speaker A: Played center as a rookie.
[00:25:00] Speaker B: Yeah, he did. In the NBA Finals. Yeah. I mean, there's no discrediting that. But, I mean, you're not going to put Steph Curry at center.
But Curry, it was the one or the two.
[00:25:09] Speaker A: He could do it on this list. I'd put it center.
[00:25:11] Speaker B: My greatest shoot, he was playing center the other night, locked up Rudy Gobert. But, yeah, Steph Curry, whether it was the one of the two. First ever. Yeah.
Chris John Stockton, but first ever unanimous MVP. It's kind of hard to dispute that. And then he won the MVP of the year before, too. So, Wardell, I just think in my eyes, he's taken that, and I think if he wins another ring, which is not likely looking right now with the way the warriors are, he would probably be top four of all time.
[00:25:39] Speaker A: Magic is the third best player of all time.
[00:25:42] Speaker B: In your eyes. Yeah, I don't think he's that high for me.
[00:25:44] Speaker C: I have a four.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: Yeah, I think he's around four. I haven't been Kareem, but, yeah, Steph and Magic is a lot closer than a lot of people are willing to admit. So I think it could go either way. I'll leave Steph, but if you tell me magic, then I agree.
[00:25:58] Speaker C: I agree 100%.
[00:26:00] Speaker B: All right, let's move on to our shooting guards. You said that this isn't as tough. I had a bit of a hard time, especially with like this nine to ten area.
[00:26:07] Speaker C: Also, the back end of the shooting guard was harder, tough, but yeah, obviously the front of the point guards list was harder than the front of the shooting guards list.
[00:26:17] Speaker B: All right, Nick.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: So my honorable mentions are Clay Thompson and Joe Dumars. Joe Dumar is Finals MVP. He was just, in general, a really good player. And then Clay Thompson, he's got four rings.
[00:26:29] Speaker C: I like the Clay Thompson take. I almost put him in honorable mention.
[00:26:32] Speaker B: Yeah, I didn't do it either, but.
[00:26:33] Speaker C: It'S probably the second best shooter of all time, in my opinion.
[00:26:36] Speaker A: Yeah.
At number ten, I have Vince Carter.
[00:26:41] Speaker B: What?
[00:26:41] Speaker A: He played 21 years and he was really good for like 15 of them.
I just remember.
[00:26:49] Speaker B: He was.
[00:26:49] Speaker A: The first NBA card I ever got was Vince Carter. But, yeah, it's really good.
[00:26:54] Speaker B: What a beautiful memory. I like that.
[00:26:57] Speaker C: Honorable mentions. I have VC and TMac.
[00:27:00] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[00:27:01] Speaker C: I have them as my honorable mentions. Like Nick said, vince Carter played 21 years and was good for the majority of those years. One of the best dunkers of all time. Probably the best dunker of all time. Contributed to Team USA a lot, which I feel like people need to value more.
[00:27:17] Speaker B: That's true.
[00:27:18] Speaker C: I think that could kind of solve the problem of people not playing as much as if us, the fans, the media valued Team USA success more. But anyways, off that ramp, my number ten, I have Reggie Miller, one of the NBA's all time leading scorers. He was an absolute dog. He elevated his play in the playoffs. He gave some of the all time greats some serious runs for their money, like Jordan, like Kobe. I have Reggie Mill at ten.
[00:27:41] Speaker B: All right, my honorable mentions. I have Reggie Miller. And I have my favorite player of all time, not named Darren Fox. And that's Tracy McGrady. I had a really hard time not putting him on here. I was a bit of a toss up between him and Vince. I get Tracy didn't have the playoff success and that's kind of why I diminished Steve Nash's spot a little bit. But Tracy McGrady is a seven time all NBA player and led the league in scoring twice. So I was very close, but I didn't do it.
[00:28:06] Speaker C: I'm actually shocked.
[00:28:09] Speaker B: I came really close. I was very, very close. I have met eleven.
But if Doc Rivers would have traded for Tim Duncan or signed Tim Duncan and not told his mom no, then Tracy McGrady would be the greatest shooting art of all time. But we'll start off with number ten. And that's where I also have VC Vincennety, Air Canada, Yoda. Half man, half amazing, flying man, sunshine. Sonny Vincent, Lamar Carter Jr.
Like cadence and all you guys both said Vince is one of the greatest to ever do it. He's the greatest dunker of all time. Eight time all star, two time all NBA former rookie of the year, and he has a sportsmanship award. Isn't that cute?
[00:28:50] Speaker A: That's great.
[00:28:50] Speaker B: So, Vince, he's done it. He's been on some winning teams. Couldn't win a ring, though. So unfortunate for him. But I'll give ten to Vince Carter.
[00:28:59] Speaker A: I have the guy that hearing about. I'm going to go ahead and estimate three months will be the 25th all time leading score, because the 25th leading score will be 24. That's Russell Westbrook, who is only 300 points away from Reggie Miller. So, yeah, Reggie Miller is number nine.
I watched a documentary with him and the Knicks battle thing. That was pretty cool. It was just kind of a good rivalry that happened in the. We don't really see too much of that nowadays because you've got teams like Philly who just are really horrible in the second round. So we never really get to see semifinals, like rivalries anymore.
But, yeah, Reggie Miller is nine.
[00:29:42] Speaker B: All right.
[00:29:43] Speaker C: That's awesome. My number nine, I have Jesus Shuttlesworth himself, probably, in my opinion, the best nickname in the NBA.
[00:29:50] Speaker B: Facts.
[00:29:52] Speaker C: Ray Allen. He was an absolute beast.
A lot of people look at his time where he helped teams get championships like Boston and Miami, but kind of skip over Seattle or Milwaukee. The days that this dude was just a walking bucket, he was just asked to go out there and get a bucket. He was doing more than just standing in the corner shooting.
[00:30:08] Speaker B: He was dunking on dudes.
[00:30:10] Speaker C: This dude was averaging 26, 25 in his prime years with Seattle. And then he made an impact right away with Milwaukee, too, as well. So I have Ray Allen at number nine.
[00:30:21] Speaker B: Yeah, number nine. I also have Sugar Ray. Ray Allen, ten time All Star. And before Stephen Curry was considered the greatest shooter of all time. Two time champ, two time all NBA. And much like Hayden said, he was so good when he was the primary option, especially in Milwaukee and Seattle.
When he was in Seattle, he got up to 26.4 points a game, and that is insane. His numbers dipped when he was traded to Boston and they had that whole big three, and he was kind of just a corner sitter, but Rayon was phenomenal. For every year of his career, he contributed to championships and saved LeBron James'legacy. So, Rayon, he's my number nine.
[00:31:03] Speaker C: Really?
[00:31:04] Speaker B: Yes. He saved LeBron's legacy with the greatest final shot of all time. So Ray Allen is my number nine.
[00:31:10] Speaker A: All right, number eight. This is where I have.
You know, there's not many people besides Ray Allen and Brent Berry to be in a dunk contest and a three point contest. Brent Berry, that's a pretty strong case for Ray Allen as well as two rings and mainly being the main reason that the Heat won a title against the spurs in 2012.
[00:31:32] Speaker C: All right, number eight. This feels really low just because when I think of. I think of this guy as one of the better players in NBA history, but shooting, our position is stacked. I have the Iceman, George Gervin, at number eight. Pretty sure he was a five time first team all NBA.
[00:31:46] Speaker A: Didn't think about George Gervin.
[00:31:48] Speaker C: He absolutely dominated in his era, but he just didn't really have a lot of longevity in his career. That's kind of what holds him back from the other guys that I have above him. And I don't think he won a championship either.
[00:32:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I also have iceberg slim. George Gervin at my 8th spot. He really revolutionized scoring in a completely different manner. He was Kevin Durant before Kevin Durant in the NBA, he shot the ball. He was one of the all time great mid range shooters. Twelve time All Star, seven times all NBA, two times all ABA. So give that to him. Four time scoring champ, ABA all time team. So Gervin, absolute dog. Got up to 33 points a game. Are you serious?
Back in those days, he was a beast. So I'm going to give George Gervin that eight spot. I had a really hard time between him and seven, but I edged it out to seven.
[00:32:43] Speaker A: Number seven, I have.
I mean, to me, it didn't seem low, but maybe to some people it was. I think he has one NBA championship, which, I mean, whenever you have Bill Russell and that team dominating, it's kind of hard to win one. But the logo, and I don't know, he gets overrated sometimes. To me, I can see it.
[00:33:10] Speaker C: Excuse me. My number seven. I have Clyde Drexler.
[00:33:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:14] Speaker C: Clyde the glide Drexler.
[00:33:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:17] Speaker C: I think he's a little low to Nick, but I have him at seven just because, like I said, the shooting guard position is so stacked.
But Clyde Drexler does have that ring that he won in his time with Houston. And he did make it to a finals against Jordan and the Bulls on the Blazers. Or I say make it. He led them to a final. Yeah, he's one of the most versatile players of all time.
A real true three and D wing kind of.
You could do it all. So Clyde Drexley at seven.
[00:33:46] Speaker B: Sorry Nick, I got you at seven. I also have Clyde Drexler. Never mind again. He was another pioneer of basketball. One of the all time great dunkers of his time. Ten time all star, five time all NBA. And he got that championship at 95 alongside Akima Lajwan. Albeit that was when Jordan left. But that's okay. He still averaged 20.4 points throughout his career. He led that Trailblazers team really on his own to the finals. Unfortunately, he did have to face Michael Jordan. It is what it is. Clyde Drexler is one of the all time greats. I can't take anything away from him. He was phenomenal. Yeah.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: Okay, number six, I have the second greatest Portland trailblazer of all time. Clyde Drexler.
[00:34:26] Speaker B: Dame Dala.
[00:34:27] Speaker A: No, definitely not.
[00:34:29] Speaker B: No Brandon Roy.
[00:34:30] Speaker A: No. Bill Walton.
Yeah. Well we'll talk about him when we get to Samuels because he's got an MVP and a ring unlike Dame has. But Clyde Drexler, like you guys said, ring, MVP. I think he was a couple time MVP if I'm not mistaken.
But he was kind of Jordan before Jordan to an extent.
[00:34:54] Speaker C: At number six I have the logo. Jerry West.
I think he gets the edge over Clyde just because of his career numbers. He played almost 1000 games and averaged 27, six and six.
[00:35:06] Speaker B: That's wild.
[00:35:06] Speaker C: He's absolutely insane. 14 time all star, has a scoring champ, an NBA championship, five time all defense and is the logo of the National Basketball association.
Stuck with LA his whole career and he was an all star every season of his career as well.
[00:35:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm pretty sure Kaden's copying my list because I also have Zeke from the Cabin creek. Jerry west at this spot. Again, all star through every single year of your career is unheard of in basketball. That's extremely impressive. Twelve time all NBA. Only missed that twice in his career and it was probably his rookie in his final year.
He has an assist championship, a scoring championship, one title, which again, like Nick said, when you're facing that loaded Celtics team it's going to be hard to get one. And a five time all defensive team selection. Jerry west was legit and he has every reason to be the logo, one of the most infamous players in all of sports. And he kind of helped the Lakers dynasty bloom during that whole Kobe and Magic era. So give Jerry west his flowers, not just as a player, but as an executive.
[00:36:16] Speaker A: All right. Excuse me. The top five, I feel like, is going to be really controversial. I could see, especially not. I mean, yeah, I don't know the top five, though. At number five, I have Alan Iverson, probably the most influential basketball player of all time, behind Jordan, of course.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: I think Steph Curry's up there, too.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: He's probably.
But, you know, he changed the culture. Best handles of all time. I don't think he doesn't have scoring titles like Iverson. Iverson is different. Iverson is shifty. He is the reason Kyrie exists.
[00:36:50] Speaker B: You a Kyrie hater?
[00:36:51] Speaker A: Anybody? That's not Russell Westbrook.
But, yeah, Iverson, he averaged 30 plus multiple times. He didn't have too much success playoff wise. He did get to the finals, but it was kind of a little fraudulent against him. Whenever him and Mello couldn't get out in the first round with Kenyon Martin and Marcus Camby Jr. Smith.
[00:37:14] Speaker C: Number five. I actually am kind of surprised by this.
I thought Alan Iverson was not going to be number five from you all. I thought he'd be number four. I have AI at number five as well, though. Averaged 33 times, was a three time steel champ, four time scoring champ, an eleven time all star. He had longevity in his career. He led a team to the finals. He won game one of that final series. And like you guys said, he's one of the most influential basketball players of all time. I will say, though, I think although he was Kairi's predecessor to being a ball handler demon, I think Kairi is the best ball handler of all time, and I'm the biggest Kyrie hater you'll meet.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: I will be resigning here this summer. Don't you worry. Yeah, I have Alan Iverson. The answer also in this five spot, you guys kind of took everything that needed to be said.
One of the greatest scorers of all time, completely pioneered the game when it came to dribling and style. He was the first one to wear that shooter sleeve, and now everybody wears in the NBA today. So big shout out to island. Iverson took that team to the finals alongside De Kembe Matumbo when he was, like, 36. So Iverson should get his flowers. It sucks that he couldn't get a ring. He was so close so many times, but couldn't get it done. He has the MVP as well in 2000. So big shout out to the answer.
[00:38:31] Speaker A: All right, so this is where I think that you guys are going to really disagree with me. But number four, I have Dwayne Wade.
Yeah, I have Dwayne Wade. I get he was what, a three time champion? But he wasn't that guy. He was not the guy. He had Shaquille O'Neill, he had LeBron. I know the 506. He was the guy. But when you get carried by the second best player of all time, it's kind of given to you. Well, yeah, it is kind of given to you because the teams, they were playing, they were playing a team full of 22 year olds and then the next year Ray Allen kind of saves them. But nevertheless, he's really good at what he does, which is slashing kind of very similar to Russell Westbrook's playstyle. So I really appreciate what he was able to do.
So, yeah, definitely one of the greatest players of all time, but not better than the next three guys.
[00:39:22] Speaker C: Yeah. Number four, I have James Harden. This is another guy that I feel like I may have a little bit of bias towards just because this is our generation and you sit down and you watch prime Rockets James Harden. You're like, oh my gosh, one of.
[00:39:34] Speaker B: The greatest stretches of basketball of all time.
[00:39:36] Speaker C: Yeah, one of the better people to ever touch a basketball.
[00:39:39] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:39:40] Speaker C: But, yeah, I have the beard. He's still contributing to this day. He's played well over 1000 games in his career. He's a ten time all star. He had one of the best MVP seasons ever, probably in my opinion, at least seven time all NBA, and has won a few scoring champs in his career or a few scoring titles. Sorry. In his career, he can do everything well. He's kind of like Russell Westbrook. If Russell Westbrook was better at scoring but a little bit worse at rebounding.
[00:40:11] Speaker B: I can see that in defense.
[00:40:12] Speaker A: Way worse at defense.
[00:40:14] Speaker C: Yeah, I guess. But I still think people are a little too hard on Harden defensively. I feel like when he shows that effort.
[00:40:23] Speaker A: And insanely.
[00:40:24] Speaker C: But I will say something else that's been really impressive about Harden later in his career is that he's became more and more on ball as a true point guard now, that's kind of his role with the clips. It was almost his role with the Philly a little bit, but now he is a facilitator, a real facilitator now in his old age.
[00:40:45] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, at this spot I also have James Harden. It was a bit of a toss up. I really did have to think about him and Dwayne Wade for this three four spot, but I had to give it to Wade for three. And I'm going to put James Harden at four because, yes, James Harden was unreal to watch during that. What was it, 20 19? 20 18?
[00:41:04] Speaker A: 20 17.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: Yeah. When he was averaging like 40 a game for like a month, that was absurd. I've never seen anything like that. And I hated James Harden at the time, but I had to respect him. And he's still out there, Bond, in his hometown of Los Angeles now, and it's looking like he might get that ring that's been eluding him all of his career. He has a two time assist champ, three time scoring champ, seven time all NBA ten time All Star. The beard is truly one of the greatest of all time at the shooting guard position. And I mean, just looking at these stats, 2018 averaged 36 a game. 2019 averaged 30.
[00:41:39] Speaker A: And look at 2020.
[00:41:40] Speaker B: 2020 averaged 24.6.
[00:41:44] Speaker A: No, 2019?
[00:41:45] Speaker B: 2020 average 34.3. Yeah.
[00:41:50] Speaker A: You want to impress about that? He had another guy averaging 27, eight and eight on that team.
[00:41:53] Speaker B: I know Eric Gordon was crazy.
[00:41:55] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:56] Speaker B: Right?
[00:41:57] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:41:58] Speaker B: But yeah. No, James Harden is an absolute legend. We'll go down as a for sure hall of Famer, but he's my number four for now because I got a flash at number three.
[00:42:08] Speaker A: All right. Number three to me, the third best score of all time. James Harden, like you were just saying, 36 points per game. He can score. He could score no matter who his teammates were. He had Westbrook, he had Dwight Howard, KD Joel and bead. Regardless, he was always a great scorer. Reason I put him above D Wade, though, is because he was always, since he got on the Rockets until he got to Philly, he was always the number one guy. And during those years, he had two Western Conference finals runs.
[00:42:42] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:42:43] Speaker A: Two Western Conference finals runs. And then he also had a finals appearance with the OKC Thunder where he was the 6th man. He was very important to that team.
[00:42:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:42:56] Speaker C: My number three, I have Dwayne Wade. D Wade, one of the better players of our generation, got him a finals mvp in the early mid two thousand s when he won one with Shaq and then a couple more rings to go along with it when he was playing with the second greatest player of all time.
Yeah, he absolutely dominated the LeBron came. He fit into his role perfectly. He accepted that second option role again, kind of like he did with Shaq for a little bit there, but he did win that finals mvp. But he is the perfect second option. Maybe the best second option of all time, or second best second option of all time behind Scotty Pippen.
[00:43:35] Speaker A: I'd take Pippen's first.
[00:43:36] Speaker B: I think there's an argument to be made, but, yeah, you can put Scottie Pippen first.
[00:43:39] Speaker C: Yeah. I have Dwayne Wade at number three.
[00:43:41] Speaker A: Maybe Kevin McHale over as the best second best player. Best second guy.
[00:43:47] Speaker B: No, the best player of all time is Kevin McHale. Okay, three. I have the flash Dwayne Wade, because he has the championships. Yes. He played with Shaquille O'Neill in a season that Shaq did win mvp. But in 2005, Dwayne Wade's finals run was incredible. In that 2005 finals, Dwayne Wade averaged 34.7 points a game, eight rebounds, four assists, three steals and a block, which is wild. He played 43 minutes a game. So just give kudos to his stamina because he had it in him. But Dwayne, for sure, one of the all time greats. Like Caden said, he fit into that second option perfectly. He averaged 30 a game all the way back in 2007, was a scoring champion. So Dwayne Wade doesn't have the MVP. He might have been robbed out of point, but that's okay. Three time champ is going to do it for you, especially when you're as good as he was. But maybe James Harden, if he gets that ring this year, maybe he becomes that definitive number three. Who knows? Now we got two and one. I feel like it's pretty obvious.
[00:44:54] Speaker C: I don't know. He might go Kobe. One.
[00:44:56] Speaker B: It's Kevin Herder and Malik Monk.
[00:44:59] Speaker A: So I have the 9th greatest player of all time, in my opinion.
[00:45:04] Speaker B: Kobe Bryant. Nine.
[00:45:05] Speaker A: Yeah, you're right. Yeah, nine. And soon to be ten.
Steph does a little bit more.
[00:45:10] Speaker B: Yeah. I feel like Kobe's ranking in the all time list fluctuates.
[00:45:14] Speaker A: So everybody has him at three.
[00:45:16] Speaker B: I've seen people have three. I've seen people have them at, like, 1414 is more valid than three. He's the player that I think fluctuates the most between every all NBA all time list.
[00:45:30] Speaker A: I have him at number two just because the five titles, the one MVP, the second greatest score of all time, in my opinion, he was different as far as playoff success and being able to miss the playoffs, then getting right back into the playoffs, that's pretty impressive from somebody, especially whenever you look at the second best player most seasons, when they didn't have palgasal being like, kwame Brown and whoever else they had.
[00:46:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Like smush. Parker.
[00:46:04] Speaker B: Parker.
[00:46:04] Speaker A: Trevor Ariza.
[00:46:05] Speaker B: Yeah. Yeah.
[00:46:06] Speaker C: I have Kobe at number two, kind of touching on what Jamie said about how he fluctuates a little bit. It's kind of really based on what you value. If you value efficiency, you're going to put Kobe a little bit lower on your list, because he did miss a lot of shots in his career. He turned the ball over a lot, especially in his early days of his career. But the more he matured and got older, the more he kind of found his game.
When he slashed and attacked, he was so good. He is obviously one of the best players of all time. Rest in peace. I have him at number two.
[00:46:36] Speaker B: Yeah. I also have Kobe at number two. It's the only place you can have him, really. He modeled his game after the number one guy, but he's also one of the greatest post up players, turnaround, jump shot guys of all time.
When it came to slashing into the basket, nobody was really close to Kobe, so may he rest in peace, he was phenomenal, and you could really put him anywhere in that all time list. But number one, it's black Jesus. No, it's the goat.
[00:47:03] Speaker A: No, it's not.
[00:47:04] Speaker B: It's the greatest of all time. No, the man who, according to many NBA players, has a shiny aura surrounding him when he walks into a room because he is apparently black Jesus to.
[00:47:12] Speaker C: Alex during his prime. He probably did. He probably had some sort of aura around him.
[00:47:17] Speaker A: Like a ring.
[00:47:18] Speaker B: Yeah, a lot of them. Like six of them. It's Michael Jordan. What you got to say about Mike? Me? He's won.
[00:47:25] Speaker A: I was just kidding. No, no. Recently, if you would have asked me who the greatest player of all time was six months ago, I would have said LeBron, which is not true at all, because you just look at the end of their year success. It's kind of end of career success.
That's a mean word, but it's pathetic how bad LeBron has been with the teams that he's had and how good players are when they leave the Lakers. Look at Malik Monk. Look at Russell Westbrook.
[00:47:53] Speaker B: Look at Kyle Kuzma.
[00:47:55] Speaker A: Kyle Kuzma. D'Angelo.
[00:47:56] Speaker B: Russell already got there. Alex Caruso Ball, Brandon Ingram. Yeah. Yeah.
[00:48:01] Speaker A: That's not the argument here. But Michael Jordan, six rings.
[00:48:07] Speaker C: Be like Mike.
[00:48:08] Speaker B: That's what they said.
[00:48:09] Speaker C: He's the goat.
[00:48:10] Speaker A: Greatest score of all time.
[00:48:12] Speaker C: Yeah.
He is a great.
[00:48:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:14] Speaker C: Greatest basketball player. Greatest winner of all time.
Dang. Near the best winner in professional sports. Yeah, it doesn't count.
[00:48:22] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:48:24] Speaker C: Dude just won. He's got the clutch gene.
Nick, didn't you tell me you've never seen the last dance.
[00:48:30] Speaker A: I've watched the last dance.
[00:48:31] Speaker B: No.
[00:48:31] Speaker C: Okay.
Was it you?
[00:48:33] Speaker B: I've seen like two episodes.
[00:48:35] Speaker A: I watched the whole thing.
[00:48:35] Speaker C: Yeah, you got to watch the whole thing. You got to watch, like, I got.
[00:48:38] Speaker B: Through it, but then I kind of.
[00:48:39] Speaker C: Just stopped on accident during its peak, like, when it was coming out week by week during COVID and it was like the only thing related sports that was happening in the mean, it can change your whole mindset on the sport of what, especially in the NBA, like, what it takes to win a championship and what it takes especially to sustain success. And Michael Jordan had that. He had the perfect mentality for an athlete, and he was just a winner.
[00:49:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:49:03] Speaker A: Well, let me tell you another thing that makes him better, that validates his case is the Lakers said they were going to make a, like, the last dance thing since 2020, since LeBron and Ad were there. So like the 2020 2021 season. So the year before they won, the year after they won the ring.
So there won't be a whole lot of winning in that documentary.
[00:49:25] Speaker C: It's going to be called the bubble guppy.
[00:49:27] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:49:30] Speaker B: The bubble guppy is the story of the 2020 Lakers. That's why MJ is so much better. He's my number one. The greatest winner in all of sports, the greatest score. I think there's an argument to be made about greatest defender of all time.
Nobody did it. Like Mike, another guy who's one of the most influential players in all of sports, not just basketball. Michael Jordan was truly him. The greatest mid range shooter of all time. The greatest finisher of all time. It was undisputed. It's Michael Jordan, and it's not close.
[00:49:59] Speaker A: The greatest three point shooter of all time.
[00:50:01] Speaker B: Yeah, because he scored like two points in a three point contest. But I think he said in an interview he chose not to become a three pointer because they all said he could have if he wanted to. He didn't need it. He focused on what he had to do, and it got him six rings. So it's all he needed. But that's all we have for you guys this week. Phenomenal debates, phenomenal show. Thank you, Kaden Johnson, for a great first time.
[00:50:24] Speaker C: Yeah. Come back another episode.
[00:50:25] Speaker B: I think you have to come back for more episodes. Thank you all for tuning into WVUA 90.7 FM and the full court press podcast. Stay up to date. Follow us on Instagram at FCP podcast underscore UA. See you all next week.
[00:50:38] Speaker A: Peacem tuscaloosa.
