Full Court Press S02.E15 - All Star Recap + Start, Bench, Cut

Full Court Press S02.E15 - All Star Recap + Start, Bench, Cut
Full Court Press
Full Court Press S02.E15 - All Star Recap + Start, Bench, Cut

Feb 21 2024 | 01:15:07

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Episode 0 • February 21, 2024 • 01:15:07

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On today’s episode look forward to league news, and our NBA All-Star Weekend Recap! Also, we play Start, Bench, Cut, where each of us give three players and debate who would play, who would sit, and who would be cut from a team! Follow us on IG @fcppodcast_ua.
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[00:00:00] Speaker A: WVUA FM, Tuscaloosa. [00:00:09] Speaker B: Hello everybody, this is WVUA 90.7 FM, the capstone. And welcome to episode 61 of the full court press podcast. My name is Jamie Martinez and I'm joined by Nick Atkinson and Kaden Johnson to stay up to date. Make sure to follow us on Instagram at podcast underscore UA with that being said, let's get into it. The all star break just finished up some pretty good action. Not a ton of news, but some news nonetheless. We're gonna get into it. Probably the biggest piece of news this week. Jock Vaughn is out as the head coach of the Brooklyn Nets. Kevin Ollie has been promoted as the interim head coach and will coach his first game Thursday in Toronto against the Raptors. The Nets current record is 21 and 33 and reports have come out this week that they plan to build the roster around Macau Bridges. So with that, do we think firing Jock Vaughn was the right move? Any opinions on that? [00:01:09] Speaker A: No, I don't. I think it was stupid. Well, I think he's a good. [00:01:14] Speaker C: I. I think it can go either. Just, it's really going to depend on whoever they hire this offseason because I don't think that the interim coach is the way to go for them. But that being said, they have to upgrade. Obviously. I do think that the Nets were one of the most disappointing teams in the NBA, at least so far this season. But also another internal thing. I don't know if building around Macau is necessarily the right movie. [00:01:41] Speaker B: Yeah, I had that right here. I was going to ask, is Bridges the guy to build around because he's been to an NBA Finals, but he wasn't the dude that was built around. Obviously that was in Phoenix and Devin Booker and Chris Paul. Is Mikhail Bridges that guy you want to build around in Brooklyn? [00:01:54] Speaker A: He's like a third option. [00:01:56] Speaker B: Yeah, he's a great player, but not number one. [00:01:58] Speaker C: No, he can be what he is now, a first option on a average to bad team. And I would say they're only average because they have a solid roster, they have decent around players. But he'll never be a number one on a team that's higher than like a six seed. [00:02:16] Speaker A: I don't even think six is pushing it. [00:02:21] Speaker C: But that being said, he's an elite third option would be one of the best third options in the league and then he would be a solid second option. So if they can hit in the draft or maybe somehow bring a big star in, I think they could be fine. [00:02:34] Speaker B: Going to say what do you think the Nets move is moving forward, what roster moves or internal moves do you think would benefit them in the long run? Because there's a lot going on right now. [00:02:44] Speaker A: Trading everything, including blowing it up. [00:02:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I think they should trade some of the kind of middle aged people on their team, which they started to do when they got rid of Dinwiddie, and then just commit to being young, commit to being like one of the younger teams in the NBA for two or three years. Kind of try to copy the same recipe that Thunder did, maybe. [00:03:05] Speaker B: Yeah. A lot going down in, you know, is McCalbridge that guy to build around? Probably not, but who knows? Next up, the Minnesota Timberwolves. This is our last piece of news, by the way, because nothing really happened. According to Adrian Wojanrowski, the Minnesota Timberwolves guard Mike Conley has agreed to a two year, $21 million extension. Stephen human of an Jess Holtz. Whatever. The Timberwolves keep Conley out of the summer free agency and in the backcourt through 2025 to 2026. So Mike Conley, the all time leading scorer of the Memphis Grizzlies, an older guard, I believe he's 36, maybe 37, gets a two year extension with the Timberwolves, who are one of the best teams in the NBA. How are we feeling about this? [00:03:46] Speaker C: A good, true point guard, I think maybe a little expensive given how old he is, but he's still to this day, a solid starting point guard in the NBA. I think he'll continue to be, and I think he complements the game of Anthony Edwards really well. One thing to note, though, it'll be interesting to see how his defense continues to hold up. I think Ant is going to have to definitely take a step and carry the load defensively in the backcourt, especially within the next couple of years. [00:04:15] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, Anthony Edwards is only, what, 22? 22, and has a lot more years ahead of him, and he's only getting better. We've seen that he was an all star this season. He's just one of the best two guards in the NBA. So alongside Mike Conley, the Timberwolves have a bright future, no matter how old he is. So that's all the news we have for this week. Not much, but news nonetheless. Let's get into our all star recap. A whole lot went down this weekend, a lot of controversy, a whole lot of just stuff about the all star weekend. So let's dive in and start with the celebrity game. Yeah, we're going to talk about the celebrity game. It was a part of the weekend, so why not in the celebrity game. Team Shannon Sharp defeated team Stephen a with a score of 100 to 91. Some pretty good players out there. Puka Nakua had 16 points, Micah Parsons with 37 and 16, both for team Shannon. Team Stephen A. CJ Stroud had 31, nine and four, and Tristan Jazz had 27, ten and six. Pretty solid game through and through. Team Shannon pulled off the upset as they kept saying that they had a weak roster and still beat Stephen a. So, any opinions on the celebrity game? [00:05:25] Speaker C: Yeah, I was actually kind of surprised, too. I thought Shannon definitely had the worst of the two rosters, but. Michael Parsons, man, how about them Cowboys? [00:05:33] Speaker B: Yeah. That's the one thing the Cowboys have won. Yeah. [00:05:36] Speaker C: That's one big stage the Cowboys can. [00:05:38] Speaker B: Show up on in the NBA. Nick, what do we think about this year's celebrity mean? [00:05:44] Speaker A: In my opinion, there was, like, three celebrities. Yeah, but, I mean, it was all right. [00:05:49] Speaker B: Yeah. So I was actually going to get into that. Should the NBA continue with the celebrity game? [00:05:54] Speaker A: I mean, it's just WNBA players and just random singers. That's all that it is. [00:06:00] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:06:00] Speaker A: Jennifer Hudson, maybe a couple NFL players. [00:06:02] Speaker B: Yeah. Jennifer Hudson was really the biggest celebrity this year. She ended up performing at the all star game itself. But, yeah, really, it has taken a big decline throughout the years. Like, back in the day of Kevin Hart doing it and all these big names. Now it's really just a bunch of NFL players. Yeah. [00:06:19] Speaker C: And then there was all that drama with Chris Brown. He would have been by far the most famous non athlete in the game. Like, not even remotely close. [00:06:30] Speaker B: He called out ruffles on Instagram, and. [00:06:32] Speaker C: It wasn't even ruffles doing. It was the know, maybe. Obviously, Chris Brown's not the best role model, but they do got to commit to getting better stars. I mean, there was absolutely nobody notable besides the NFL players and Jennifer Hudson. And then the just go back to when it was real celebrities, not just streamers or people that are viral on TikTok. [00:07:02] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly. [00:07:03] Speaker B: With that being said, who would we like to see in the celebrity mean. [00:07:08] Speaker A: Guys like Kevin Hart. [00:07:11] Speaker C: I said it last show. I just put Justin Bieber back in a few times. [00:07:15] Speaker A: Tjaz was valid because basketball content creator. [00:07:18] Speaker C: Jordan Kilgaman would be cool. [00:07:20] Speaker A: Justin Bieber. Yeah, for sure. Like you just said, I think Ron Artress was like, I like that they have old. [00:07:28] Speaker C: Yeah. I think they should do one old NBA player on each team. [00:07:31] Speaker B: Yeah. A couple of years ago, it was Tracy McGrady and Ray Allen were in the celebrity game against each other. So they've done it before. [00:07:37] Speaker C: It would make sense because I know, like, Quentin Richardson has been in it a couple of times. It would make sense to do, like, one old NBA player, one WNBA player, one NFL player for each team, one NFL player for each team, and then from there on, just do celebrities. That way you have your athletes. You have your athletes down, and then you can actually play. Like, people can watch what they want to know, which is celebrities playing, not athletes for other sports, just carrying the. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Games, because that's exactly what happened. Djs was a basketball youtuber balled out, and every other big name performer was an NFL player or an Olympic long jumper. So, yeah, athletes really took over the celebrity game, not a bunch of celebrities. And we all picked team Stephen A. To win. We were all wrong. It's okay. It happens. Moving on to the NBA skills challenge, team pacers defeated team first picks and team all stars. The home team, home team took it. Kaden got that one right. Everybody else was wrong. [00:08:39] Speaker A: Got everything right. [00:08:40] Speaker B: Yeah, Kaden pretty much got everything right. He killed it after the celebrity game. So how are we feeling about this year's skills challenge? [00:08:47] Speaker A: In my opinion, it was the best event of the all star weekend. Really, as a whole. [00:08:51] Speaker C: That's not even really that crazy to say. [00:08:53] Speaker A: It's been the best event for the last four years, since 2020. [00:08:56] Speaker B: It was hype. [00:08:56] Speaker C: I will say that the whole passing thing is kind of funny, like, how big the circles are to pass the ball through now. [00:09:04] Speaker B: It is not hard. [00:09:05] Speaker C: Like, you could throw us three out there and we would compete in the skills challenge in that. For real, that was like, anybody can do it. I think that they could know showcased NBA players skills a little bit better. [00:09:20] Speaker B: That's true. [00:09:21] Speaker C: In that. [00:09:22] Speaker B: Well, with those skills, how are we feeling about Scotty Barnes? [00:09:25] Speaker A: What about him? [00:09:27] Speaker B: How do we feel about his skills challenge performances this week? Awesome. [00:09:30] Speaker A: He's entertaining. [00:09:32] Speaker C: He is an entertaining guy to watch. I mean, Porzingis is better than him. I'll stand on that. Porzingis should have been in Indianapolis this week instead of him. But, yeah, he's funny to watch. He's an interesting dude. So is ant shooting left handed. That may be one of the funniest moments of the all star weekend, where Ant just dribbling, shoots the floater. Everything's normal. It's like clutch time. He's the last person. He just grabs the ball off the rack, shoots it left handed off the. [00:09:58] Speaker A: Side of the first shot. [00:10:01] Speaker B: I think he said he was going to do it for all of all star weekend, but he stopped after that. He stopped after that it got really bad. Lastly, with the game being in the Bay Area next year, would it be exciting to see an all warriors team? [00:10:13] Speaker A: They'll do that. [00:10:14] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:15] Speaker B: Curry, Draymond play. Yeah. [00:10:16] Speaker C: Curry, Draymond. They can get them. Hopefully watch. It'll end up being Wiggins, Pott and. [00:10:24] Speaker A: Draymond will do it regardless. [00:10:25] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:26] Speaker B: Maybe Draymond likes doing dumb stuff. [00:10:28] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:10:28] Speaker B: Draymond will even face Kevin Hart in that three point contest and lost. Yeah, that was crazy. Moving on, Curry versus inscu in what a lot of people thought was one of the best events of the all star break. In their three point challenge, Stephen Curry defeated Sabrina Ayonescu 30 to 26. This was honestly really fun. Sabrina performed much better than a lot of people would, would have expected. She was shooting from the NBA line and she was great. So how are we feeling about this? [00:10:56] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say this was probably my personal favorite event of the all star weekend. I thought it was the most exciting one. I was definitely into it more so than any other event that went on. I thought it was pretty sweet, honestly. [00:11:08] Speaker A: Yeah, it was cool. It was like the second or the third. I think the three point contest was, like, cool this year, but I think they could have done a better job of getting more, quote unquote, elite three point shooters. Like, shooters. Like real shooters. Desmond Bain, Norman Powell, Jason Tatum, Kevin Herder, even though he's not, like, buddy, healed. That's what it used to be. That's what it should be. CJ McCullum. Those are the type of guys that should be in it. [00:11:33] Speaker C: Not 100%. [00:11:34] Speaker A: Not Donovan Mitchell, Damien Lillard. [00:11:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Guys that just. [00:11:38] Speaker C: But will hit like three threes a game. [00:11:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:11:40] Speaker C: And Lori Martin. And he didn't even do bad. He did pretty good. [00:11:44] Speaker A: I mean, they just want cat in there because he's a big man, but. [00:11:46] Speaker B: Like, greatest shooting big man of all time, apparently. [00:11:49] Speaker C: Dirt, but yeah. Yeah. I don't know. [00:11:52] Speaker B: Should we anticipate Caitlin Clark next year? [00:11:54] Speaker C: Yeah, that's what I was going to. That's what I was going to add on. I've seen. Have y'all seen all this stuff like Caitlin Clark and Dame against Sabrina? [00:12:00] Speaker B: Oh, I haven't heard that. I've heard Curry and Clay versus. [00:12:03] Speaker A: I feel like Clay's a better shooter than Dame. [00:12:06] Speaker C: Yeah, but not like right now. [00:12:08] Speaker A: I mean, if I'm putting Clay out there to shoot some threes, I think I'm taking Clay. [00:12:12] Speaker C: Not right now. [00:12:13] Speaker A: No. [00:12:14] Speaker B: Clay does have a higher three point percentage this year. [00:12:16] Speaker A: Second greatest shooter of all time. [00:12:18] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. Too, but he's just not the same clay thompson that it used to be. I mean, dame won the three point competition last two years and with that. [00:12:28] Speaker B: Let'S get into the three point competition. Damien Lillard wins his second straight contest, defeating a whole flurry of guys. How are we feeling on this contest? Because I know we got into it a little bit, know Donovan Mitchell and Laurie Markin being in it. How are we feeling on the dunk contest this year? Was it disappointing the dunk contest or not? No, sorry. [00:12:47] Speaker A: Three three point contest. Like I was just saying, I don't think there was enough good. I think Malik Beasley was the only guy that's like a know. There should have been, like I was saying those type of. [00:12:58] Speaker C: So, yeah, I thought them doing the. Just a random note. I just thought them doing the whole tiebreaker thing. Why not just have four people in the final? They did the same thing with the skills challenge. There was an obvious winner after the first two rounds, and then they just gave the other team 200 for the first six for no reason, just to send it into an overtime. I guess they were just trying to draw it out. But it's stuff like that that kills the credibility of all star weekend. Like, stuff like that makes it seem a lot more scripted. [00:13:33] Speaker A: JJ Reddick didn't like that. [00:13:35] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:13:35] Speaker A: He came out and said that if it says it's going to start at a certain time, it needs to start. [00:13:39] Speaker B: I was about to get into that. Yeah. The tip off for the all star game was 45 minutes after eight and it was advertised to be tip off at 08:00 they didn'tip off till 842. That is a problem in my opinion. You can't be doing that 42 minutes late. [00:13:54] Speaker C: Yeah, they started like the introductions and stuff. Like, what are we? [00:13:58] Speaker B: Come on. 42 minutes of intros should not be happening either because it went from intros and those take forever in an all star contest. And then Jennifer Hudson had a concert. 42 minutes later, an all star game barely starts. So I thought that was pretty crazy. All right, moving on to the dunk contest. In the contest that might have had the most flak from this whole time, Mac McClung goes back to back beating Jalen Brown, Jacob Thompin and Jaime Hawkez Jr. Let's just get into our basic opinions. Let's not get too in depth because I have some questions lined up here. Just opinions on this year's dunk contest. [00:14:31] Speaker A: I think it was the worst dunk contest we've ever seen. [00:14:33] Speaker B: Really? [00:14:33] Speaker A: By far. Yeah. This year, last year were the two worst ever. [00:14:38] Speaker C: I think people will get a little spoiled with it. Just know it's been going on for so long, it's hard to stay creative. But I will say the judges absolutely killed it this year. Like, ruined it. The judges were more so of a problem than the lack of creativity on dunks, in my opinion. I thought Jaime Hawkez's dunks were awesome. Even Jacob Toppin. Jacob Toppin pulled out at 360 East Bay. [00:15:01] Speaker B: That was crazy. And he hit it behind this head. That was wild. [00:15:04] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:05] Speaker C: I think either of Toppin or Hawkez could have been in the final against Mac McClung. Mac McClung did have some sick dunks, too. The one off the backboard of the side of the backboard and then the double clutch dunk. [00:15:18] Speaker B: That was criminal. [00:15:18] Speaker C: Where he threw it up to himself. [00:15:20] Speaker B: Yeah, he catches it off. The dude dribbles or not even dribbles. He just lets go of it, catches it in midair, and then dunks it. That was given, like, a 47, and that's never been done in the history of the dunk contest. The judges gave it a 47. Now I think it's a problem with. The judges were all old heads. Yeah, I think the youngest. [00:15:38] Speaker C: What does Gary Payton know about dunking? [00:15:41] Speaker B: Seriously? Six two. [00:15:42] Speaker C: He wasn't dunking like, Dominique Wilkins is a great. That's a fine. [00:15:45] Speaker A: He gave a lot of dominique. [00:15:47] Speaker C: But also another thing, too. If stars aren't going to participate in the dunk contest, then let some stars be the giants. [00:15:56] Speaker B: I wouldn't be cool if they're going to do current. [00:15:58] Speaker C: I'm sure they would say instead of having Jason Tatum sit courtside for the dunk contest, let Jason Tatum be a judge. [00:16:04] Speaker B: I'm sure Yanis would be cool. [00:16:06] Speaker C: Yeah, exactly. Yanis is courtside at the dunk Contest every year. [00:16:09] Speaker B: Shaq. [00:16:09] Speaker C: Shaq's another dude that Shaq has brought out every year. It feels like you could throw Blake Griffin in there, have a little bit more recent. [00:16:20] Speaker B: Yeah, I think we need more recency, like throw a Vince Carter out there. He just retired a few years ago. Just some all time great dunkers that aren't 65 years old, that retired in 1982, that kind of hurt the dunk contest. So I'm seeing a lot of speculation. The dunk contest, it's gotten stale. A lot of people are saying every dunk that could have ever been done has already been done. So is it time for the dunk contest to be replaced? Yes. [00:16:47] Speaker A: I think that there should be a two on two tournament or a king of the court tournament, but egos will not let that happen. [00:16:54] Speaker C: I think stuff can be added to all star weekend, but there's no way that a dunk contest should be replaced. I mean, it's still the primetime event. I know what Reggie Miller was saying on the broadcast about the three point competition is the biggest competition. [00:17:06] Speaker B: It's a shooter. [00:17:07] Speaker C: The dunk contest is going to draw the most views. It's going to bring in the most revenue. That's what people want to see. At the end of the day, people would much rather see crazy dunks that they don't see in games as opposed to people running around a bunch of racks shooting threes. I don't know. I think they can revamp it, they can hype it up more and they can up the stakes. The NBA has money. They're at no shortage of money, I can promise you that. They came out with a freaking tv court this weekend. So if they can do that, then throw a bag at someone to win the dunk contest. [00:17:44] Speaker B: Yeah, seriously, Stephen, a also just said LeBron James ruined the dunk contest forever. [00:17:50] Speaker A: I agree. [00:17:51] Speaker B: I was going to say, do you agree with think? [00:17:52] Speaker A: All right. In the most non biased way possible. I think he ruined all star weekend as a whole because he never did a dunk contest. The reason why players are lazy in the dunk contest, the all star game as a whole because he made it out to be. This is a break. You guys are here to watch us do this. It wasn't like how Kobe would be like, we're the best players in the world. We have to all play to our best effort. And you see all of those guys like Draymond Green, Kobe, Westbrook, CP, three, Harden, like the guys that would always try. Yeah, Katie, he always tries to. He played deep because. [00:18:33] Speaker B: Yeah, Katie, he only shot open shots that whole time. I was like. I kept an eye on him. He was passing the ball. [00:18:38] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:18:38] Speaker B: Only took open shots. [00:18:39] Speaker A: And LeBron, all he'll do is just drive. [00:18:42] Speaker B: He only plays half time. [00:18:43] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:18:44] Speaker B: He stopped. [00:18:44] Speaker A: Well, there you go. And then they lose by 40. [00:18:47] Speaker B: Got destroyed. [00:18:48] Speaker C: Carl Anthony, there's a real lack of competitiveness in the NBA as his fault. And I agree, a lot of people argue that point. But in the end, the thing about the people arguing that point are also the ones that are calling this LeBron's era. Well, if it's LeBron's era, then it's Steph Curtis. It's not a coincidence that the all star game is just completely gone in his era. [00:19:12] Speaker A: I think maybe ten years ago it was his era. Not now. Maybe he had a little two year. [00:19:17] Speaker C: Era, but ten years ago or so is when the all star game last was at its peak. In Kobe's last year, it feels like. [00:19:24] Speaker A: That was the best. [00:19:24] Speaker C: Kobe's last year feels like it may have been the last really good all star game. And then I think when was the Levine Aaron Gordon contest? [00:19:34] Speaker A: 2015 and 16. [00:19:35] Speaker C: Yeah, eight years ago or so. That's probably the last time that there was, like, legitimate. [00:19:42] Speaker B: I was watching those clips today. Crazy. [00:19:44] Speaker A: 2015 through 2020 was good. When they did that the first year of when Kobe died and LeBron and Yanis, that was a good year for. [00:19:53] Speaker B: They got competitive at the end. 19. [00:19:55] Speaker A: 1817. Those are all good. When Paula George and Anthony Davis both dropped 40, I remember that. It was definitely better. [00:20:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So do we think there's a way to make the all star game competitive again? [00:20:09] Speaker A: Money. [00:20:09] Speaker B: Yes. [00:20:10] Speaker C: Money is a motivator. The greatest motivator. [00:20:12] Speaker A: Give them money. I mean, dude, you act like it's like a big deal to give them money. [00:20:16] Speaker B: You know what I'm saying? [00:20:18] Speaker C: They act like it's like some crazy concept. [00:20:20] Speaker A: Literally throw a bag, give them like $50,000. Give each player fifty k or even 100k. It's not hurting you. You realize that that arena was packed out. There was not an empty seat there. They probably, from that night, got close to, like a couple hundred thousand dollars. [00:20:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Because the dunk contest and all that was in Lucas Stadium. [00:20:38] Speaker C: Think about, like, tv revenue the NBA brought. Raked in tens of millions of dollars this weekend. And do you know how much the players saw of that? Maybe like 10%, maybe if they were. [00:20:51] Speaker A: In any commercials and stuff. [00:20:55] Speaker C: But that's not even the commercials, and so that's not funded by the NBA. I don't know. I just think that they've got to up the stakes. I know Hassan Whiteside said that it should go to home court advantage. [00:21:11] Speaker B: I was about to get, if you really want to, because that's what they up the stakes. [00:21:15] Speaker C: I mean, that would do it. But then you would mean, like, scotty Barnes out there. Who cares? Why would Scotty Barnes care about who gets home court? [00:21:26] Speaker A: That's true. [00:21:27] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:21:27] Speaker A: Who cares? Yeah. That is just something that doesn't like. [00:21:31] Speaker C: That would only matter to Jason Tatum. [00:21:34] Speaker A: Jalen Brown, and Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. [00:21:36] Speaker C: Kawhi and Paul George. [00:21:37] Speaker A: It would matter to those four guys. Yeah, exactly. Maybe Yokit. I don't even think he would care, dude, because he doesn't care. [00:21:43] Speaker B: Doesn't care about. [00:21:43] Speaker A: He doesn't care about home court advantage. Dude, he could be the 8th seed and get to the finals this year. [00:21:51] Speaker B: And lastly, the all star game itself. The east beats the West, 211 to 186, the highest scoring game in all star history. First time 200 points has ever been eclipsed, and they hit 211. Damien Lillard wins MVP with 39 points. Other notable performances include Tyrese Halliburton, who had 32, six and seven in front of his hometown. Carl Anthony Towns for the west had 58. The east pulls it out, though. Damien Lillard wins the MVP, his second trophy of the all star weekend. We really already dived into what we think of the all star contest with all of that, but a report did come out recently that players are now kind of spreading the word that they want to get paid to be at the All Star game, to just perform. Because previously there was no incentive to do it. Players just went to do it, and everybody has always been fine with that, but now there's whispers going around that players want to get paid to be there. How are we feeling about that? [00:22:52] Speaker A: You know who that rooted from, right? [00:22:53] Speaker B: Lebron, probably. Yeah. [00:22:55] Speaker C: I mean, it's just soft. What are you working for then? What? Did you work your whole basketball career? A on a solo standpoint, obviously, the end goal is to win an NBA championship if your dream is to play in the NBA. But what else could you possibly want? You're privileged to be at the all star game. You know what I'm saying? [00:23:17] Speaker B: You worked your whole season to be there, and you want money to go. [00:23:22] Speaker C: I agree. Winners of competitions should get money at the all star game. [00:23:27] Speaker B: I mean, it's like a trophy. [00:23:28] Speaker A: That makes sense, right? [00:23:29] Speaker C: But as far as being there, paying them just to show up is a little ridiculous. [00:23:37] Speaker A: Maybe just add, like, all right, so you say they already pay you for being an all NBA player. You get, like, $100,000 bonus to your contract if you make first team. So you say, okay, whoever's the All Stars, each all star gets $10,000 bonus onto their contract, or let's say, gets an extra technical taken off back when Draymond Green was playing. Okay, losing this one tech means he doesn't get suspended for two. [00:24:06] Speaker B: Know, some sort of incentive. [00:24:07] Speaker A: Exactly. [00:24:08] Speaker B: Just not should it be. [00:24:10] Speaker A: I mean, it has to be because it has to be. It's gonna have to be. [00:24:14] Speaker C: Yeah, but I just don't think they should get paid at all just for being there. [00:24:17] Speaker A: They already have so much publicity off of it anyway. [00:24:20] Speaker C: They have so much money as it is. They get paid a ridiculous amount of money and a lot of the ones that get paid a ridiculous amount of money don't play half the regular season. What, what more do they want? What more can we, as fans, give to them? [00:24:39] Speaker B: Taking away from the game, from the fan experience, why would I want to watch an all star game that the NBA didn't want to pay LeBron to be? [00:24:47] Speaker C: Why? [00:24:47] Speaker B: Why would I want to watch a billion favorite player? [00:24:51] Speaker A: He speaks out about that all the time about how they need more money. It's like, dude, what are you talking about? [00:24:57] Speaker C: You have a billion from playing a sport. Yeah. [00:25:01] Speaker A: You have the second biggest shoe contract in the history of sports. He tries to talk about that kind of stuff when it's like, it doesn't affect you. [00:25:11] Speaker C: So it's like they're just so out of touch. They're just so out of touch. No, professional athletes as a whole are so out of touch with the rest of the world, especially once they get in and once they get that money, once they get out of the stage where they're on a grind. It's kind of like the DeAndre Ayton stuff a few weeks ago where he was like, this is my end. Like, I've already reached my end goal of my career. I'm a max contract player. That's so, and Deandre Ayton's not good. He's an average starting center in the NBA. But it's so easy to pay people now that those are the type of guys that get money, and that's the type of mindsets that the majority of the league has. [00:25:51] Speaker B: You know what's crazy? DeAndre Ayton says this, that, oh, I've achieved what I want to do in the NBA. He's a max contract center, but the trailblazers viewership has dropped 60%, which is the most in the NBA. So, yeah, you're getting all this money, but what does that do for the fans? Because the Blazers don't want to watch you. [00:26:07] Speaker A: You suck. [00:26:08] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:26:08] Speaker B: 60% drop off is insane. [00:26:10] Speaker A: I think that they need to do it a certain way of how the NFL doesn't have, how they're not going to pay the players, like, a full price. What is it called? [00:26:18] Speaker C: Guarantee. [00:26:19] Speaker A: Guarantee? [00:26:19] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:20] Speaker A: Like how, it's like, okay, if you don't play up to this par, which we're not giving you. [00:26:23] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:26:23] Speaker C: NBA money being all guaranteed is absolutely stupid, like crazy. And it's one of the worst things going on in the league right now. [00:26:31] Speaker B: Is a lot of NFL contracts are incentive based. [00:26:34] Speaker A: Like, let's say DeAndre Ayton, when he signed that contract. I don't know exactly how much it is. We'll just say five years, 200 million. I'm sure it was somewhere around that. So if he doesn't play up to par of what he's supposed to, which is a top ten center, which he was when he got that contract, when they were making finals run, he definitely was a top ten center. Then he gets like a quarter or a half of however much it is. Let's say he's making 30 that year. You make 15 if you don't play up to that. [00:27:00] Speaker B: Yeah. And in the NFL, say you're a receiver, you'll get like a $200,000 bonus incentive if you hit a set amount of yards. For the NBA, it could be you get this portion of your contract if you hit 15 points per game and eight rebounds. I think that's what the NBA needs to do. Because he's fully guaranteed. Because at the end of the day. [00:27:18] Speaker C: You'Re getting paid to play, you're not getting paid for your name, you're getting paid to play. And that's what the NFL does a good job of a lot of with their team options stuff. So if a player progresses in year three of their contract, then they're not getting that money for year four, they're not getting the same amount of money in year four. And that's just how it should be. If you're either not playing the majority of the season or playing far below your standard and the standard that the team has set for you, why do you deserve the know in any other aspect of life, if you don't perform your job well? There are consequences. There's consequences in any job except for the NBA. It feels like not even the NFL, just the NBA, where there was like the situation a few years ago when Kyrie just sat out and he was getting paid. He's getting paid all of his money. [00:28:11] Speaker A: He did get fined, though. [00:28:12] Speaker C: He got fined. [00:28:13] Speaker A: Ben Simmons lost $200,000 from doing that. [00:28:16] Speaker C: Yeah, but that pocket changed for them. [00:28:18] Speaker B: Like, you get what I'm saying. [00:28:20] Speaker C: When you're on $150,000,000 contract, you're going to fork over, it's nothing. [00:28:24] Speaker B: And in the NFL, if you're sitting out training camp, you're losing like a million dollars for every camp you miss. It happened with Chris Jones and Nick every single day. Didn't it happen with Tyron Smith? He lost out on a bunch of money because he was sitting out. [00:28:36] Speaker C: But yeah, Chris Jones was a big. [00:28:37] Speaker B: One because that was a big one. [00:28:38] Speaker C: He just kept skipping. [00:28:39] Speaker B: Yeah. And he lost a bunch of money. That's what has to happen. [00:28:42] Speaker C: Yeah, it is. It's absolutely what has to happen. [00:28:44] Speaker A: But I feel like I will say this. Well, Anthony Edwards, I was going to say he doesn't care, but he is one guy I just thought about. He is really competitive when it comes to the regular season. But the good thing about this new era of NBA players, I feel like they're kind of like the early 2010s players. [00:29:03] Speaker C: Yeah. We give Shay a lot of side. Shay is a competitor, though. Those are guys that care, Halliburton, Tallow. They want to win Tuesday night in Chicago against the eight nine seed Bulls. Those are guys that want to win any game, no matter who it's against. [00:29:23] Speaker A: That's what's good about those guys. Because I feel like whenever you're like Steph Curry, which he's in that thing, too, he'll go and play in Charlote and drop 50 and try to win. But like LeBron, if he's playing in Chicago while they're the twelve seed, he'll sit out. [00:29:38] Speaker C: Damien, even like Damien, Kawhi was really bad about. Kawhi is right there with LeBron, with. [00:29:45] Speaker A: What started that and Paul George. [00:29:47] Speaker C: Yeah, more so Kawhi, I feel like than anybody, though, other than LeBron, I would say LeBron and Kawhi and Katie is kind of. Katie was hurt. [00:29:55] Speaker A: Hurt, though. [00:29:58] Speaker B: Kawhi sat out so much. Load management. Yeah. [00:30:01] Speaker C: Kawhi was the inventor of load when. [00:30:04] Speaker B: He was in San Antonio. Yeah, that's all he did. [00:30:06] Speaker A: I will say that. But like the last two years, he has actually been. [00:30:08] Speaker C: Yeah, he's been for sure. [00:30:11] Speaker B: And he's been good about it this year. He hasn't sat out in that new load manager while, but that's just because. [00:30:15] Speaker C: He got dogged for it and it hurts. [00:30:19] Speaker A: He's going on his little every five years. He wins the title 2014 to 2019. [00:30:23] Speaker B: He'll get it next year in Sacramento. [00:30:25] Speaker A: This year. This year. Because he just signed a five year max. [00:30:27] Speaker B: Oh, no, we're going to trade for him. Yeah. You guys have Harrison Barnes. [00:30:30] Speaker A: I won't be a fan. So what we all got, we can just move on to the main segment. [00:30:35] Speaker B: Yeah, let's get into it. So that's it with the all star recap. A lot of good conversations there. Got pretty intense and we love to see that. So let's get into our main segment. Start bench cut. We each have some start bench cut scenarios for each other. I believe we have five each. So hopefully they're not too similar because we don't know. So let's get it started with Nick. What's your start? Bench. [00:30:54] Speaker A: A little. This first one is just like. The rest of them are not like this at all. I just want to say that, but this is purely perimeter defense. This is not like. [00:31:02] Speaker B: I have a lot like that. [00:31:02] Speaker A: This is not like. [00:31:04] Speaker B: Okay. [00:31:04] Speaker A: He can average 25, too. It's just their perimeter defense aspect of their game. [00:31:09] Speaker B: Okay. [00:31:09] Speaker A: All right, start. Bench. [00:31:10] Speaker B: Cut. [00:31:11] Speaker A: Rip Hamilton. Luau dang. And Andre Hoberson. [00:31:14] Speaker B: Luau dang. [00:31:15] Speaker A: God. [00:31:18] Speaker C: I didn't watch Rip Hamilton enough. The other two I could tell you. [00:31:21] Speaker B: But Rip Hamilton wasn't the best defender on that team, though, because you had the Rashid Wallace, you had tarian prince, you had she, you had Ben Wallace or Tayshan Prince. Sorry, tarian prince. [00:31:34] Speaker A: Yeah, tarnian prince was big. [00:31:36] Speaker C: 2004 Tayshan Prince. [00:31:38] Speaker B: Chauncey Billis was a good perimeter. He was all right. I might have. That's tough. Who were the other one? Andre Robertson and Luau. [00:31:46] Speaker A: Dang. [00:31:49] Speaker B: Ahmed. That's tough because Andre Roberson's. The only reason he was on the team was because he could play defense. He probably shot like the only reason. [00:32:02] Speaker C: He was in the league. The only reason he was in the league was because he could play. [00:32:06] Speaker B: Yeah. That's the only reason he was there. [00:32:08] Speaker C: He provided no other aspect. [00:32:10] Speaker A: Couldn't rebound. He couldn't bring the ball up the court. [00:32:12] Speaker B: He was like Daquan Cook if he could play defense. [00:32:14] Speaker A: Yeah, Daquan Cook could shoot. [00:32:17] Speaker B: That's the only reason Cook was in the league. [00:32:20] Speaker C: Let's throw Andre Roberson in the next. Guess the player. [00:32:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm going to go start Andre Roberson. I'm going to bench Amek. Dang. And then I'll cut rep Hamilton. That's what I'm going to go with. [00:32:35] Speaker C: I don't know. I'm still going to start Luau. Dang. I'm going to bench Roberson and I'm going to cut rip. [00:32:45] Speaker A: Really? Okay, so we all have different ones. Then I'm going to start. Oh, wait, my bad. Yeah, I'm going to start luau dang. Bench Rip Hamilton. [00:32:53] Speaker C: Cut Roberson. That's fine. Yeah, I was pretty close. I think Luau is one. And then Rip and Roberson are close. Yeah, but yeah, that can really go. [00:33:01] Speaker A: Because Rip's a good. He was really good at getting. All right, when do y'all go next? [00:33:09] Speaker B: On to who's next? [00:33:11] Speaker C: All right, this is just in general, the theme is just point guards in the east. I just want to see what y'all think this is? None of mine are set to a specific skill set. It's just similar players or players that I think bring up a good argument. [00:33:27] Speaker B: All right. [00:33:27] Speaker C: Cade Cunningham, lamello Ball and Trey Young. That's good. [00:33:34] Speaker A: Okay, I already have my answer, so I'm going to start Trey. [00:33:38] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:33:41] Speaker A: It's these two. Yeah. All right, I'll bench Cade and I'll cut Lamello. [00:33:46] Speaker B: Okay, I'm going to start Trey Young. Because he was an all star, the season averaged, what, 27 and ten? Yeah, he's been crazy good. I'm going to bench Lamello because Lamello had Charlote looking like a decent little team when he was healthy, and he was great this season before he got hurt, too. So I'll bench Lamello, and then I'm going to cut Cade. But Cade's been looking really good, too. [00:34:10] Speaker C: I agree with Jamie. [00:34:11] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm going to bench Lamello, but it's. [00:34:13] Speaker C: Close between Cade and Lamello. [00:34:15] Speaker B: I mean, Cade is a former first pick, and he's on the worst team in. I mean, I think he would look a lot better if he had any sort of help around him because he has nothing but Lamello. He has the help and he benefits with it. So, yeah, I'm going to go with that. All right, my first one is purely playmaking. Okay. Based on who you want on your team as a playmaker, and take into account positions. Okay. As a playmaker on your team. Jason Kidd, LeBron James, Nikola Jokic. Who do you want as a playmaker? [00:34:49] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Jokic is starting. I think he's the greatest playmaker ever, besides probably Stockton, Nash and magic. Okay, so he's starting benching kid. Cutting LeBron. [00:35:01] Speaker C: Wow. [00:35:02] Speaker B: Okay. [00:35:03] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:35:06] Speaker A: I don't know, dude, because kid could really. [00:35:09] Speaker B: Kid got the nets to the final. [00:35:10] Speaker A: Facilitate and he was just. I feel like, okay, all right, I'll bench LeBron. Cut kid. [00:35:17] Speaker C: I am starting LeBron James. Yeah, I know. A crazy gas. But especially, like, in the Cleveland, the second turn of Cleveland days, when one man is doing everything that is playmaking, like him driving to the lane or scoring ten points in a row for a team that is playmaking, he's creating his own play. That mixed with how much he raised the other playmaking aspect of his game, which was like passing in those days. I think that sets him to number one. I'll go Jokic at two just because being able to playmake from the post and as a big man is huge, especially now in this day and age of basketball, you can play through the post. Not just scoring through the post, but you can play through the post as far as like kicking out, which he was doing to MPJ and Jamal Murray all playoffs. And then I'll bench Jason Kidd. But that's not a knock to kid. He's one of the better playmakers of all time. [00:36:17] Speaker B: Yeah. You really have to take into account personally, I'm going to start Yokich because Yokich, I mean, when I watched that dude play, he can make any pass as a six foot eleven, 300 pound, can't even dunk. And he could really do it all in a playmaking standpoint. I'm going to bench Kid because Kid got the Nets to the finals against the Lakers and that Nets team was not crazy. It was really him and Kenyan Martin and just Carrie Kittles, I guess. And then I'm going to cut LeBron because I'm biased and the 2020 ring doesn't count. So that's my reasoning. [00:36:54] Speaker A: I like that. [00:36:55] Speaker B: Yeah, that's really it. I just hate the Lakers and the bubble ring was Mickey Mouse. [00:37:00] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:37:01] Speaker B: Pure playmakers. That's where I'm going. [00:37:02] Speaker A: Okay, so I have the greatest college program of all time. A couple of players from the greatest college, like the greatest college basketball team and the greatest college development. And just overall as a whole as like a big hole. Just by far the greatest college basketball program in the history of Mark Sears. So I have the Kentucky basketball players that are currently in the NBA and I'm just kidding, they're very inferior to a lot of teams like Villanova. [00:37:31] Speaker C: Not Kentucky is probably the best program of all time. [00:37:33] Speaker A: I'm going to have to. [00:37:33] Speaker C: It is close. [00:37:34] Speaker A: I'm going to give it to Kansas. [00:37:35] Speaker C: Or UCLA or UNC or Kansas. [00:37:37] Speaker A: I'd say Duke for sure. I'm going to say Nova though as the best. Mean Kansas is up there. [00:37:46] Speaker C: Duke at Yukon is now too. Yukon blue blood, especially on the Gulf coast. [00:37:50] Speaker A: Okay. [00:37:52] Speaker B: All right. [00:37:52] Speaker A: But these guys, Devin Booker, Shay, Anthony Davis. Not while they were in Kentucky today. [00:37:59] Speaker B: I've been watching, man. That's just. I'm so ready to just make people mad right here. I can go with mine first if you want. [00:38:09] Speaker C: Go for it. [00:38:09] Speaker B: So I'm going to cut Anthony Davis because Anthony Davis is on a mediocre team. Nine seed and his averages are down from know previous years. He has the best prime older. [00:38:20] Speaker C: He has the best prime. [00:38:21] Speaker B: He has the best prime out of all. Yeah. When he was in New Orleans, he was incredible. [00:38:24] Speaker C: Shay is not really at his prime. [00:38:27] Speaker B: Two probably my bench. I'm throwing Shay Gildes Alexander because I'm a hater and I love it. Shay, don't get me wrong, he's phenomenal. He's averaging like, what, 31 points a game? He's been great. But I mean, he's also shooting, what, ten free throws? [00:38:39] Speaker A: Eleven free throws. [00:38:40] Speaker B: Eleven free throws. [00:38:40] Speaker A: No other people averaging over 20. [00:38:43] Speaker B: Yeah, and he's on a very solid team. I mean, he's with Chet Honrin, who's one of the best defenders we've seen in a long time. And Jdub's great for his, you know, great defensively for his size. [00:38:54] Speaker A: They're full of good defenders. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Yeah, they're full of good defenders. And then I'm going to start Devin Booker because I was watching a video on Devin Booker today and he has the highest difficulty of shot percentage in the league. And he also has one of the best percentages and everything across the board in the league. He's shooting close to like, he might be shooting over 40% from three, he's over 50% from the field. He's one of the best mid range shooters in the league. So for the difficulty of shots he takes and the way he hits them, he's one of the best scorers we've seen in the last ten plus years. So I'm going to go Devin Booker at that one spot because the suns are also very solid with Kevin Durant. It's a lot of shots that Katie is going to take up and Booker has still been phenomenal. So I'm going to go book at one. I'm going to start book. [00:39:43] Speaker C: All right. I like cutting ad, benching Shay and starting b. And my reasoning for that is just because we haven't seen Shay in the playoffs yet at an extended sample, like we've seen D book. D book performs when he's in the playoffs all the time. I mean, he's really good in elimination games, apart from the one that they just got absolutely blown out against Dallas and everybody wants to bring that one up. [00:40:15] Speaker B: But I mean, Luke is also one of the best playoff performances we've ever seen. [00:40:18] Speaker C: But D book elevates his game in the playoffs. And I think as of right now, if I'm ranking the top ten players in the NBA, like today, I'm putting Shay over dbook. But if I'm going into the playoffs and wanting one person to build a team around, I'm picking D book over Shay still, just because I know what D book's gonna give me in the playoffs. [00:40:36] Speaker B: Yeah. If I'm building a team from the ground up I would build around Devin Booker before I would build Alexander because, yeah, Shay's a great passer. [00:40:42] Speaker C: That could change. I mean, that could change because like I was saying, shay's not even. I don't even know if Shay's in his prime. I think Shay still has room to grow. I think he's going to get better. [00:40:51] Speaker B: Player ever in two years. [00:40:53] Speaker C: Shut up. Okay, maybe not. But by the time of the end of his career he could be. [00:40:57] Speaker A: Yeah, he's got to average trouble double four. [00:41:01] Speaker C: You're saying he doesn't have a chance to be the best. [00:41:04] Speaker A: Average trouble double four times, get the final. [00:41:06] Speaker C: He's like 23, averaging like 2030. [00:41:08] Speaker A: 26. [00:41:10] Speaker C: Is he 26? [00:41:11] Speaker A: Yeah, he's old. [00:41:11] Speaker B: Yeah, he's been a league for a while. He was drafted by. [00:41:15] Speaker A: If he was 23, I'd agree, but he was drafted in 2018. [00:41:18] Speaker B: Yeah, by the Clippers way. A long time ago. [00:41:21] Speaker C: Okay. [00:41:21] Speaker B: He played a full season and he's. [00:41:22] Speaker A: Almost as old as booker. [00:41:24] Speaker C: But I'm saying, okay, well, if he wins a ring in OKC, he's the best underplayer of all time. But like right there. [00:41:30] Speaker A: Yeah, but he's not. You think he's beating the Celtics? [00:41:35] Speaker C: No, I'm not saying this year, but Shay in two or three years from now is going to be better than Shay is right now. [00:41:41] Speaker B: Yeah, there's a shot because OKC has all these picks and all this. [00:41:44] Speaker C: OKC doesn't have enough history to just have like a locked off best player of all time. [00:41:49] Speaker A: Katie and Westbrook are pretty good and. [00:41:51] Speaker B: They went to the finals for sure. [00:41:53] Speaker C: But I'm saying all it takes is a Kawhi Leonard run with the Raptors. Then it's just like boom. Oh, you're automatically the best. It's like Kawhi. Kawhi is the best raptor of all time. [00:42:02] Speaker A: Yeah, but it's on this level. It's on the same level of. Yeah, KD is the best player to ever put on OKC jersey, but Westbrook is the greatest because of. [00:42:13] Speaker C: Yeah, it's like magic and Kobe. [00:42:15] Speaker A: Exactly. Yeah. What's it called? Dude, I just had the word in my head. Legacy. It's like a legacy thing. Westbrook was there for twelve years, got to the playoffs every year besides one like Katie left when he was only there for eight years. It's just like that kind of thing. [00:42:30] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:42:32] Speaker C: I do think Shay has a chance. [00:42:34] Speaker A: I just don't, I don't think it'll. [00:42:36] Speaker C: Happen because I do think they will ring with the core that they have right now. [00:42:41] Speaker B: I think it's such a possibility because they have all these picks in this future. They're so young. [00:42:44] Speaker C: You got to think, though, like JW. [00:42:47] Speaker A: But here's another thing. [00:42:48] Speaker C: In three years that's probably like the best three. [00:42:52] Speaker A: What you got to think is that doesn't always work. [00:42:55] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. Yeah, for sure. But they complement each other well already as is going to be perfectly fine. Within his prime, averaging 1810, they're only. [00:43:06] Speaker A: Going to want to score the ball more and his points are only going to go down. Shays. They're only going to go down. [00:43:11] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. [00:43:12] Speaker A: So I'm just saying, like. [00:43:13] Speaker C: But I mean, people that we know is willing to take that sacrifice if they win a ring. [00:43:16] Speaker A: But I'm saying, like, people that we know that are saying like, he's an MVP and he will be an MVP one day. He won't be because those guys points are going to go up. JDuB is already like a top 30 player in the NBA and by next year he'll be 20 a game. He'll be top 20 and probably averaging like 25 because he's one of the. [00:43:32] Speaker C: Better defenders in the. [00:43:33] Speaker A: Yeah, and then we're talking. Shay's points are probably down to about 25, 26. If JDUB gets up to 25 and then you have case and Wallace backing him up, you've got Lou dort. [00:43:42] Speaker C: I mean, chat, too. [00:43:47] Speaker A: He's 20. I think he has the peak to be the best player on the team because at 20 Shay was doing this. I think JW will be the best player on the team in a couple of years. [00:43:56] Speaker B: JW is a six five heavily. [00:43:58] Speaker C: I mean, you have. I think you're banking on JW being like a top six player in the league because Shay right now, you know. [00:44:05] Speaker A: I don't think that. Because he's on a team averaging 30 with nobody else averaging 20. So I think that that's why I have Booker and tatum over. [00:44:13] Speaker C: Okay, but Shay is a clear top ten player. Ten. He's a clear top ten player. [00:44:17] Speaker A: He's in the ten. Yeah, lower. But we're not even doing this right now. [00:44:23] Speaker C: This is a crazy tangent. [00:44:24] Speaker A: Yeah, come on, let's get on with that. [00:44:26] Speaker B: We're stretching it out. [00:44:27] Speaker A: All right, move on. [00:44:30] Speaker C: Yeah, because you just want. [00:44:31] Speaker A: That's right. [00:44:31] Speaker B: That was yours. [00:44:32] Speaker C: We're 45 minutes in. That's crazy. [00:44:35] Speaker B: Kentucky start. Bench cut. We went into a whole. [00:44:38] Speaker C: This has got to be like the most we've ever ranted in a show. [00:44:44] Speaker B: Worse than Katie. And we took. [00:44:46] Speaker C: We took like 20 minutes talking about why NBA players are spoiled. All right. [00:44:54] Speaker B: Awesome. Okay. [00:44:54] Speaker C: This is a good one. I'm pretty curious to see what you all got. This is wings. That's just the theme. It's current players. Brandon Ingram, Paul George and Jalen Brown. [00:45:05] Speaker A: Okay. All right. Okay. [00:45:08] Speaker C: I'm still stumped on. Like, I need a minute to think about this one. [00:45:11] Speaker B: I think I know who I'm cutting. [00:45:13] Speaker A: I do, too. [00:45:13] Speaker B: But the starting bench, I know who. [00:45:15] Speaker A: He'S going to cut. [00:45:16] Speaker B: I'm cutting Brandon Ingram. Okay. Yeah. [00:45:18] Speaker A: Surprised me. Okay, I got mine. I got mine. [00:45:20] Speaker B: Paul George is starting for me. [00:45:21] Speaker A: Paul George is starting. Yeah, Paul George is starting. Then I'm cutting Ingram. Benching Jalen Brown. [00:45:27] Speaker B: I mean, Jalen Brown can only dunk over Kycanat in a seat. [00:45:30] Speaker C: Dude, I think bi might be better than Paul George. [00:45:32] Speaker A: No, not over bi. That's about to be the one seed in the west. Average 25. [00:45:37] Speaker C: I don't have them over. I'll go JB. Paul George, bi. But I think Paul George and Brandon Ingram is closer than Jalen Brown and Paul George. [00:45:44] Speaker A: I don't think so. Because in my opinion. I know you're a Celtics fan, but in my opinion, I like Porzingis more than I like Jalen Brown at the second. [00:45:51] Speaker B: Okay. [00:45:51] Speaker C: I mean, that's fine. I agree. I think when Porzingis plays, I don't think he's better, but I think he's the second option. But that's just because he's a big and he can shoot. But you bring up that point about to be the one seed. Brandon Ingram's. There's two teams between the Pelicans and the Clippers. Right now. There's two spots. One's a three seed, the other's to six. [00:46:10] Speaker A: But you know what? It separates us six games. Four. Oh, is it four? Four. [00:46:13] Speaker C: Night's got to be like, because I looked earlier because I was curious about this. It's four. Y'all are two games back from the one. They're six games back. So there's a four game difference. And y'all have only won, like, three more games than, like I always point out, the Clippers just play. No, they just play significantly less games for some. [00:46:31] Speaker A: We have a lot of back to. [00:46:32] Speaker C: Backs coming up, but, yeah, I don't know, dude. I think with the. There's certain things that each do better. I think Brandon Ingram is more consistent than Paul George. [00:46:43] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. Jalen Brown is more consistent than Paul George. [00:46:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:46:48] Speaker C: But, yeah, at peak, Paul George is the best. Jalen Brown is the best. I mean, Jalen Brown. Paul George isn't dropping 45 50 in an NBA game today. Oh, today. [00:46:57] Speaker A: Okay, so we're saying peak now 20? Yeah, sorry. [00:47:01] Speaker C: No, obviously, Paul George. But right now, if all three played to their best abilities, if all three, on any given night, played like 100% to their best of their ability, Jalen Brown's a game is better than Paul George's a game. [00:47:15] Speaker B: Okay. [00:47:15] Speaker C: And I think Paul George's is better. [00:47:17] Speaker A: Than Brad hanger, then. I can agree with that. But I'm still probably going to, dude, because Paul George, when he's really good this season, he's been really good, but he's been really bad recently. [00:47:29] Speaker C: I don't know, though. But as far as back to the Brandon Ingram Paul George thing, I think they both defend pretty well. I think Paul George is a better defender, but I think Brandon Ingram's a better playmaker than Paul George. [00:47:41] Speaker A: That's fine. I mean, he has two really good playmakers. [00:47:44] Speaker C: I think right now. I think at this point in Paul George's career, Brandon Ingram has a larger arsenal of ways he can score than Paul George at this point. [00:47:55] Speaker A: Yeah, because Paul George doesn't really drive as much anymore. He just shoots. Step back threes now. [00:47:59] Speaker B: That's all I ever see him do. [00:48:00] Speaker C: That's all he does is contest, even open threes. [00:48:03] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:48:03] Speaker C: Which is the Clippers are so good at shooting open threes. They're so efficient. [00:48:06] Speaker B: And Brandon Ingram is one of the few great mid range shooters. Exactly. It's really him. Devin Booker. Katie. Yeah. Derozan. Yeah. And Brandon Ingram is phenomenal from the mid range. [00:48:18] Speaker C: Did you do this already? [00:48:20] Speaker B: Yeah. I think it's tough because you bring up a lot of great points. Because I feel like both Jalen Brown and Paul George are inconsistent at times. Because a lot of the times I see Jalen Brown get outshined by a derrick white, but at the same time I see Paul George getting outshined by a James Harden or Russell Westbrook at times because they're just both inconsistent, but so is Brandon Ingram. Brandon Ingram can go and shoot like five of 23 a random night. So pure scores. I'd probably start Jalen Brown, bench Paul George and then cut Brandon Ingram. But it can really go either way. That can go in any direction. So that's a really good one. I like that. All right, going on to mine, I want to preface that pure slashers at this. [00:49:06] Speaker C: So just their slashing ability. [00:49:08] Speaker B: Slashing ability. So not as a player. Slashers. Okay. And no, Russell Westbrook's not starting. Okay at the same time. I want no bias. No bias. [00:49:18] Speaker C: All right. [00:49:18] Speaker B: I'm not being biased, either. So I have John Wall, Derek Rose, D'Aaron Fox. [00:49:24] Speaker A: Okay, well, I can go ahead and start. I'm starting Derek Rose. Starting Derek. I feel like that's, like, not close. Then I'm going to bench. [00:49:34] Speaker B: This is close. [00:49:35] Speaker A: This is really close, dude, because dear. And Fox right now is better than. Better than prime wall. He's averaging 27 and eight. [00:49:42] Speaker B: John Wall, like, in his prime years of shooting, like, Irv was, like, 21 points. [00:49:46] Speaker C: He can win a playoff series before you can say all that. [00:49:50] Speaker B: Steph Curry, to be fair. [00:49:51] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah, true. [00:49:52] Speaker A: All right. I won't say better, but I'll say he's right on his. [00:49:56] Speaker C: I can even agree with that. Oh, my God. [00:49:59] Speaker B: That's so point guard in the league, though. Flashers. Not player players. Flashers. [00:50:04] Speaker A: We're going off on a tangent, but I'll give you an answer real quick. Yeah. Lucas Halliburton Curry. Trey Fox debut. Oh, I guess he is a point guard. [00:50:20] Speaker B: Is he a point guard now? Yeah. [00:50:21] Speaker A: Okay, so we'll push Fox Trey down to six, seven. [00:50:25] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:25] Speaker C: Trey Young. And Fox is close. [00:50:27] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:50:28] Speaker B: They're both averaging similar things. I mean, kings have one more game. [00:50:31] Speaker A: I think Fox was. [00:50:32] Speaker C: But I think wall was in the top five for a while. I don't think that Fox has reached right. [00:50:41] Speaker A: All right. Yeah. [00:50:42] Speaker B: So this is a slasher, but, yeah. [00:50:43] Speaker C: I do think by the end of his career, I think Fox, because I think the Kings will eventually win a playoff series. [00:50:49] Speaker A: Yeah, that'll be crazy if they did. [00:50:51] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:50:51] Speaker C: If they don't, that's. Wow. But, I mean, the west is sad. [00:50:55] Speaker A: But you got to give it. He is averaging like 27. [00:50:58] Speaker C: Yeah, but just finishing, though, I think Fox is a better shooter than he is. [00:51:02] Speaker A: He's the best shooting slasher in the league. No, he's second as far as point guards go. He's second right this second to prime 2016. 2017 Russell Westbrook, who was shooting like 36% from three. [00:51:16] Speaker B: Dear Fox has taken such a huge jump in his three point. [00:51:18] Speaker A: Yeah, but he's second. He's second for sure. And then I'd probably say, I don't know, but regardless, that's such a toss up. I'll bench dumb wall. Just non biased. I'll bench my feeling, then I'll cut Darren Fox. [00:51:33] Speaker C: Yeah, I'll cut De Aaron. Derek Rose is one of the best flashing point guards of all time, but so is John Wall, in my opinion. So they're both top ten. It just so happens that Derek Rose is probably the second best slashing point guard of all time. So I'll start Derek Rose for sure, and I'll bench John. [00:51:55] Speaker B: All right. Yeah, I'm going to start Derek Rose, too, because that MVP season, driving to the basket, there was really no stopping Derek Rose. I'm going to bench Jaron Fox, though, because Jaron Fox last season had the most efficient season in NBA history around the basket since Akima Lajwan in the late ninety S. And Akima Lajwan was a big. So it was much easier to score under the basket. And dear and Fox had the most efficient season in history. He outdid Hakeem Alajwan percentage wise, actually, under the basket. So I think Derrick Fox's bag under the basket is also deeper than it was for John Wall because, yeah, John Wall could slam it on people, but. [00:52:33] Speaker A: Dear and Fox, he kind of created the jelly, though. [00:52:36] Speaker B: That is true. But Darren Fox around the rim, whether it was a fade away, like right at the basket, or going under a defender, going into a defender, I got to take Darren Fox over John Wall because John Wall was great nonetheless. [00:52:48] Speaker C: But as a slasher, going at a defender, going to the rim, you're taking Fox. [00:52:52] Speaker A: And when you say that, I'll take. [00:52:55] Speaker B: You. Guys don't watch enough as far as. [00:52:57] Speaker A: Driving around and maybe like doing like a dribble move. Even then, John Wall was, like, elite at ball handling. [00:53:03] Speaker B: Aaron Fox has the percentage to back it up. [00:53:05] Speaker C: John Wall is one of the fastest, which both are. They're both like two of the fastest players in the history of the NBA. [00:53:11] Speaker A: And even then, I feel like know he's like right behind them, too. [00:53:14] Speaker C: Dang, you didn't even say jaw might be right behind. Better than Fox in the slashing aspect. And then he's probably close to wall. [00:53:25] Speaker A: Maybe better than, I'd say better than right tailing rose. [00:53:28] Speaker C: Yeah, I would, too. [00:53:30] Speaker B: Probably John Ranson saying, I just need to see more of him. He's hurt this season. [00:53:33] Speaker A: I wish he played. [00:53:34] Speaker B: Yeah, but he's crazy. [00:53:35] Speaker A: Are we good? You want me to move on now? Okay, so this one, I feel like this one's just kind of stupid a little bit. All right, so I have Orlando Magic stars. It's a little weird. [00:53:48] Speaker C: Okay. [00:53:49] Speaker A: All right, so I've got Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, and Jamir Nelson. Not Jameir Nelson. I got Paulo Manchiro. So I know it's early, but he's already an all star. [00:54:06] Speaker B: That's tough because Penny Hardaway and Grant Hill both had such short prime I. [00:54:11] Speaker C: Think Penny Hardaway is one of the. [00:54:12] Speaker B: More overrated players he is because after, like, shaq realized he could never win with him. And once Shaq left Penny, what did he do? [00:54:19] Speaker C: He got disappeared in Detroit. [00:54:20] Speaker B: He got hurt, and he went to Phoenix and did barely anything. But same with grant Hill. Grant Hill was great in Detroit, great with the Magic, but again, injuries hurt him so bad. [00:54:30] Speaker A: Is Paulo starting already? [00:54:32] Speaker B: I think he is, but to be fair, Paulo. I mean, Penny Hardaway still went to the NBA Finals. I mean, yeah, he had shaq, but he was in the NBA Finals. [00:54:39] Speaker A: Imagine Shaq and Paulo in the front court. They probably would have beat a game. [00:54:47] Speaker C: Dude. Oh, my God. I'm really tempted to start. Not. I feel like that's disrespectful because it's like, two legends and it's a dude that's in his second year. [00:55:01] Speaker B: But again, I feel like a lot of Grant Hill's numbers came from Detroit. [00:55:04] Speaker C: Like, ask me this question in two years, and I'll easily. Yeah, I was going to have Paulo over grant either way. I'm just between him and Penny. [00:55:11] Speaker B: I'm going to start Penny because Penny was in the NBA Finals, and I don't care what, but he still made it to that, and he was an all star, so we can all agree on that. Penny is going to start. I'm going to bench Boncaro. Cut grant Hill. [00:55:23] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:55:24] Speaker B: Okay. [00:55:25] Speaker C: This one kind of ties in, has Paulo, and it ties in a lot of our favorite players. It's another current one, Paulo Zion and. [00:55:42] Speaker B: I better not hear no monte. Oh, I'm so. [00:55:46] Speaker A: Dude, that's the best one today, for sure. [00:55:48] Speaker B: But Zion hasn't improved since his rookie year. He's great, but he hasn't awesome. [00:55:53] Speaker A: He's still great. [00:55:54] Speaker B: He is. I'm starting Sabonis. [00:55:57] Speaker C: Starting Savonis. [00:55:58] Speaker B: Sabonus is averaging a triple double. [00:55:59] Speaker A: I'm going to start Paolo. I'm going to bench Paulo. [00:56:02] Speaker C: I have no clue. [00:56:03] Speaker A: Starting Paulo, benching Sabonis, cutting Zion. [00:56:07] Speaker B: I mean, Sabonus leads the NBA in double doubles, is tied for triple doubles, has 36 straight double doubles right now, leads the league in rebounds, is averaging a triple double since not being announced in the all star game, and the Kings are playing much better with him. I mean, he had a 35 point triple double, like last week, and Zion hasn't improved since his rookie year. [00:56:30] Speaker C: Okay, but would you rather have. [00:56:31] Speaker B: I'm going to cut Zion. [00:56:31] Speaker C: Would you rather have Demonta Sabonis on your team? Like, if today someone offered you Zion for Sabonis straight up. [00:56:39] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. [00:56:39] Speaker C: In that case, you better take Zion. [00:56:41] Speaker A: I am, too. He's 22 years old. [00:56:43] Speaker C: Would you. [00:56:44] Speaker B: I don't know. Because I feel like, again, I'm a Kings fan. 30 from. [00:56:48] Speaker C: No, I'm even talking like, take age out of the perspective. [00:56:52] Speaker A: Oh, then I'll take Savonis. I'll take Sabonus. And not over Paolo, but because Zion. [00:56:57] Speaker B: Yeah, Sabonus is averaging like 1911 and eight where Zion's averaging what, 21. Right. [00:57:05] Speaker A: He's averaging 23 and they're what, the five seed? [00:57:08] Speaker C: Who, the pells? Yeah, six. [00:57:11] Speaker B: But the pells are such a deep roster. Outside of Fox and Sabonis and Monk and Keegan, it's a pretty big drop off. [00:57:19] Speaker C: Yeah, but I mean, Pells, CJ, Zion. [00:57:22] Speaker A: Bi Perb and Trey Murphy and Val. [00:57:25] Speaker B: That'S a deeper roster than the first one. [00:57:28] Speaker C: You said before you said Val after. [00:57:31] Speaker A: You said Herb and Herb. [00:57:33] Speaker B: Yeah, that's a deeper roster than the Kings. [00:57:38] Speaker C: Yeah, but they're on the same tier as far as if you want to tier up roster talent level. [00:57:46] Speaker B: I don't know. Savannah is an MVP candidate, too. He's in the top ten. [00:57:50] Speaker C: It's definitely not like a noticeable bridge. I'm saying some of those guys, like Trey Murphy is just coming back from being gone half the season. [00:57:57] Speaker B: They have Jordan Hawkins, too. [00:57:58] Speaker C: He's a. Don't even. They push him down to the. [00:58:03] Speaker B: He's the next Clay Thompson. [00:58:06] Speaker C: He showed out in the All Star weekend for sure, but I don't. I also have former rising stars saying cut Zion is not that I want. [00:58:17] Speaker B: To say you're also a duke. [00:58:20] Speaker A: Just know Apollo starting. Just know that. [00:58:22] Speaker C: Yeah, but I also think that. I think Zion's a better basketball player than Savonis. It's just the fact that right now Sabonis is very good and very underrated. [00:58:35] Speaker A: I think they're all on the same level. [00:58:36] Speaker C: But then, no, Zion played at an all star level this year. [00:58:39] Speaker A: He has, but he just got snubbed because there were so many other guys. [00:58:42] Speaker B: You know who else played an all star level and didn't make it? [00:58:44] Speaker C: Savonis. [00:58:45] Speaker A: And think. [00:58:46] Speaker B: And I think they were bigger snubs than Zion Williamson was. Yeah, him too. But I think Savonus was a bigger snub than Zion. And don't get me wrong, Bonkero's been great and the Magic has been solid, too. But I'm going to take again Sabonis over Bonkero. It's a very slim margin between those two because Boncaro has been incredible. But I mean, for what Sabonus does for the Kings from a playmaking and rebounding and scoring, he does it all. And that's what you want out of a big. That's the one thing. But he's also undefeated against Jokic and Carl Anthony Towns and Anthony Davis. So he wins against big names. [00:59:21] Speaker C: He's probably the best center in the NBA, right? [00:59:22] Speaker B: Yeah, by schlar. People say he's maybe Jokic. [00:59:25] Speaker C: He's Jokic's daddy. I'll start. Paolo, cut. Zion and Steman. [00:59:30] Speaker A: Same one as me. [00:59:31] Speaker C: But I'm excited to see Zion play in the playoffs this year because I think the Pelicans are going to surprise a lot of people. Yeah, I think they'll be a stand around team. I think even if they finish as the 6th seed, as long as that three seed isn't the Clippers right now. As long as it's not the Clippers, they'll win the first. [00:59:47] Speaker B: I'm like terrified. [00:59:49] Speaker C: The Pelicans, dude. Dude, I would be too. That's what I'm saying. I think they beat seven. I think they beat OKC and I think they maybe beat Minnesota. Maybe. The only thing that scares me that is Gobert would. It would be hard for Zion to have as big of an impact as he would in other series. Go bear. [01:00:07] Speaker A: Standing down there insane. Because Jaden McDaniels is not, on a fast standpoint, not keeping up with Brendan. [01:00:12] Speaker C: Yeah. Even CJ. CJ is due for a 30 point game. [01:00:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:00:15] Speaker A: Because Conley is not going to go to that. [01:00:17] Speaker C: Yeah. No. [01:00:18] Speaker A: Trey Murphy is going to just sit in the corner. Average 15. [01:00:21] Speaker C: Yeah. I think the Pels will probably get. [01:00:26] Speaker B: Up to the five. [01:00:28] Speaker C: Well, Suns are ahead of Suns as far as playing in the regular season, though. [01:00:34] Speaker A: I think they'll say six. I think they'll say six. [01:00:36] Speaker C: And then who do you think they'll end up playing for the three? [01:00:39] Speaker A: Us? [01:00:45] Speaker C: I was just about to say six, maybe seven. If they play really well, then I'd like us to. Dude, Zion's going to mess Zubach up. Yeah. He's going to tear him up. And he would do the same thing to Chet. Even with Chet. Perimeter defender, Zion will put a shoulder in his chest. [01:01:03] Speaker A: I hope we get two seats. Then we play Dallas or the Lakers. Yeah, but. Is that you, Jimmy? Now do yours? [01:01:13] Speaker B: Yeah. All right, I have forwards Jason Tatum, Yanis onto Dekumpo or first stint, Cleveland, LeBron James. [01:01:22] Speaker A: You're putting him in there with them? [01:01:24] Speaker B: I'm just messing around. Kevin Durant. Oh, okay. [01:01:26] Speaker C: Right now. [01:01:27] Speaker A: Right now, I have my answer to I'm sorry, but I think Tatum is the most underrated player in the NBA. He's starting for me. Then I'm going to cut. I'm going to cut Giannis. Bench Katie. [01:01:40] Speaker B: Oh, okay. Cut Giannis. [01:01:43] Speaker A: I think he's overrated. [01:01:44] Speaker B: That's not what I expected to hear. Okay. [01:01:47] Speaker C: I'm going to start Yanis. Not going to get a good bow. The Alphabet? Yeah. [01:01:54] Speaker B: Wait, so why are you starting him and you cutting? [01:01:57] Speaker A: Because they're not a good team. And let me just go on the Tatum thing. Like I've said so many times, 27 points per game. Four other all stars. Best team in the NBA. He should be the MVP of the league. He should be the MVP. [01:02:12] Speaker C: That's amazing. [01:02:12] Speaker A: I've said it for the last two years. I've said it the last two years. [01:02:15] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:02:15] Speaker C: I mean, I brought it up. It is crazy. This is the first time that I can remember the best player on the clear cut. Best team isn't like an MVP candidate. I think he should be over shay in MVP talks. I think Yokich and Luca are above him. I think Tatum, but Tatum and Yokich are very close. I agree 100%. I think it goes Luca, Yokich, Tatum. But Tatum and Yokich are two. A two. [01:02:45] Speaker A: Yeah, for sure. [01:02:48] Speaker C: But I will. I'm going to bench Tatum and cut Katie. [01:02:55] Speaker A: Really? [01:02:55] Speaker C: Which is crazy for me because Katie is really good. Katie's really, really good. [01:03:01] Speaker B: Really good. He's 30. [01:03:03] Speaker C: Katie is really, really good. [01:03:05] Speaker B: 30 a game. [01:03:05] Speaker C: But Tatum has elevated Tatum. And a lot of people haven't realized this, too. Tatum is so much better this year. Like, even just this year, Tatum has improved a lot this year. Tatum is significantly better this year than he was last year, in my opinion. [01:03:19] Speaker A: I think so, too. And I think with, like, katie and Yanis, that argument, Yanis has, like, I'd say he has. Okay, once. Once you get past Cleveland and Boston and New York, I feel like the rest of the east is kind of. [01:03:33] Speaker C: Mid Boston and New York. Well, I think the Bucks. I think the Bucks will turn it around, but as of. [01:03:40] Speaker A: Right on. I don't think they're on the three I just mentioned, the Sixers before Embiid. [01:03:45] Speaker C: Got hurt were good. [01:03:46] Speaker B: They were. And once Embiid comes back, they could be dangerous. [01:03:49] Speaker C: Yeah, I just don't think it'll be this year. I think they'll be good next year, which they need to be because Embiid only got two or three more years left. [01:03:59] Speaker B: I mean, really I'm going to start Tatum, bench Katie. Cut Yanis. I did research. The Suns and Bucks have almost identical records, but I think Katie, at 35, 36, however old, he is, averaging 30 and like, seven, is insane after suffering Achilles injuries, tearing his achilles just a few years ago, which should have been a career ending injury. I got to go, Katie. Yanis, he's still great, too. He's averaging 30 and ten, but the Bucks have been so mid, they're three and seven in their last. [01:04:35] Speaker C: My thing is, I think Yanis is up and away, the best defender out of the three. Not even remotely, but it's so. I think Tatum is better defender than ad, but Yanis, perimeter defense, on ball defense, off ball defense, interior, Interior. Yanis is almost just as good of a score as both of them are right now. I think, geez, I don't know. And then Giannis is probably. I think Tatum's probably the best playmaker out of the three, but Yanis is a close second trailing. That's kind of why I cut Katie. I think he's the worst defender. I think he's the worst playmaker out of the three. [01:05:15] Speaker A: Yeah, I agree. [01:05:16] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:17] Speaker A: For sure. All right. [01:05:18] Speaker B: Me? Yep. All right. [01:05:19] Speaker A: What is this, the last one or the second one? [01:05:21] Speaker C: We each got two more. We can just speed them up a little. [01:05:23] Speaker A: All right, so for these next two. All right, this is 2000 point guards. I have Steve Nash, Jason Kidd, and Tony Parker. [01:05:37] Speaker B: Okay. [01:05:38] Speaker A: Actually, because I know Parker will get cut because he should. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:05:41] Speaker A: I'll put Chris Paul in there instead of chasing kids. [01:05:43] Speaker C: Steve Nash and Chris Paul. [01:05:44] Speaker B: Yeah. That's tough. Wait, just 2000 point guards? Like, not like you're building a team around this. [01:05:52] Speaker A: No, it's their whole career. Their whole career. [01:05:55] Speaker B: That's tough because I feel like Steve Nash might have been the best out of him. He's the guy. [01:05:59] Speaker A: I'm starting. I'm starting. [01:06:02] Speaker B: I'm probably going to start Steve Nash, too. Two time MVP, probably going to start Nash, kid. And Chris Paul's a toss up because Chris Paul went to the finals, but Devin Booker was kind of the head of that team. Kid went to the finals, but he was the guy on that team, and. [01:06:15] Speaker A: He has a ring and he was. [01:06:17] Speaker B: Like the triple double guy after Robertson before. I'm gonna. I think I'm gonna bench kid. We got the same one and cut Chris Paul, but it's super close because Chris Paul just had the longevity over. [01:06:29] Speaker C: I think. I think with that longevity, I think I'll give it to Chris Paul. [01:06:32] Speaker B: Yeah, but I mean, kid did end up as a old man winning a ring with Dirk, one of the hardest rings ever, one of the greatest runs ever, and he was a big part of that. [01:06:41] Speaker C: Chris Paul's going to win a ring. [01:06:41] Speaker B: With the warriors this year, this season behind Moses moody. [01:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:06:46] Speaker B: Okay. Yep. [01:06:46] Speaker A: Go ahead. [01:06:48] Speaker C: All right. I got big men here. Jokic, David Robinson, and Giannis. [01:06:55] Speaker B: Oh, that's a good one. [01:06:56] Speaker A: I know my answer because we were kind of talking about this when we did the center rankings. I'm going to start bench. I'm going to bench Robinson, cut Giannis. [01:07:07] Speaker C: I'm going to start Jokic, bench Giannis. And cut David Robinson. Just purely off skill. [01:07:12] Speaker A: Yeah, and I can agree with that. But just for right now, just because I think Robinson, he has the two rings, I'm going to give him the edge. [01:07:20] Speaker B: Okay, so it was David Robinson, Yanis and who? [01:07:23] Speaker A: Yokich. [01:07:23] Speaker B: Oh, man. Ooh, man. I'm gonna start Yokich. Ben Giannis. Cut David Robinson. Sorry, dad, but I had to. All right, moving on to mine. [01:07:35] Speaker C: Wait, who did you start on that one? [01:07:37] Speaker B: Jokic. Okay. [01:07:37] Speaker C: Yeah, so we had the same one. [01:07:39] Speaker B: Yeah. All right. Mine. I have all time power forwards. I have Carl Malone, Charles Barkley. Giannis onto de Kumpo. [01:07:47] Speaker C: I'm starting Giannis. [01:07:49] Speaker A: Really? [01:07:50] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:07:50] Speaker A: Okay. I'm going to start Carl. I'm going to bench Giannis, cut Charles Barkley. [01:07:56] Speaker C: Yeah. I am going to start Yanis, bench Carl Malone, and cut Chuck. [01:08:02] Speaker B: Yeah, I think Giannis and Carl Malone is definitely a toss up, but Carl Malone, I mean, never won. [01:08:09] Speaker A: The points record is the only thing that's keeping four mvps. [01:08:12] Speaker B: Yeah, but Michael Jordan kind of owned him, so I'm going to go with Yanis because his finals run was also impressive. I'm going to start Yanis, bench Malone, and cut Chuck. So, yeah, screw Auburn. [01:08:26] Speaker A: Okay, next up is 2010 small fords. This is kind of like a different. It's not like KD. It's not that. It's Carmelo Anthony, Paul George, and Kawhi Leonard. Not on an all time scale. I'm meaning from 2010 to 2019. Who and Paul George. Mellow. [01:08:46] Speaker C: Carmelo Anthony. [01:08:48] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:48] Speaker A: So from 2010 to 2019, I'm starting Kawhi. [01:08:51] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm starting Kawhi. For sure. It's not even remotely close. [01:08:54] Speaker A: Yeah, but I feel like Paul George and Carmelo is close. [01:08:58] Speaker C: It is, but I'm going to bench Paul George. [01:09:01] Speaker A: Yes, I agree. That's tough because mellow couldn't even get. [01:09:05] Speaker C: To a significantly better defender. [01:09:07] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:08] Speaker A: And shooter. Three point shooter. [01:09:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:09:11] Speaker A: And playmaker and mello didn't go to Fresno State. [01:09:13] Speaker B: So I'm going to bench mellow. I'm going to cut or no, Bench. Paul George. Cut mello. Start Kawhi. All right. [01:09:23] Speaker C: All right, my last one. These are familiar names. All of them have been said today. This is going off their peak. So this is like their best season, the best that they played throughout their careers. Derek Rose, Steve Nash. And. [01:09:41] Speaker A: That is a good one. So they're like, best season. All right, so I am going to start Steve Nash just because I don't mean he's like a top five point guard. So it's like, I kind of got to start him. Then I'll bench drose. [01:09:57] Speaker B: Cut. [01:09:57] Speaker A: Jake kidd. [01:09:58] Speaker B: I think I got the same thing. [01:09:59] Speaker A: Perfect. [01:10:00] Speaker C: Yep. All three. [01:10:00] Speaker B: Same. I think I go with the same thing. All right, last one of the episode. Mine is you're starting a team. You need a point guard, but you don't necessarily need your point guard to score a really. You're looking for a playmaking type of guy at your point guard position. So I have Chris Paul, Trey Young, Tyrese Halliburton. [01:10:23] Speaker C: And this is not purely playmaking, but you're filling in a final spot. [01:10:29] Speaker B: You have a contending team, and all they're missing is like, a very solid point guard. You don't need them to score someone. [01:10:35] Speaker C: And hit some big shots. [01:10:37] Speaker B: You need to subgroup big shots. He's going to pass the ball. [01:10:41] Speaker A: Playmake and prime included. [01:10:44] Speaker B: Yes. Okay. [01:10:45] Speaker C: Chris Paul, Halliburton and Trey Young. [01:10:47] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm starting Halliburton. Then I'm going to cut Trey Young, bench Chris Paul, and I'll say why I'm starting Tyrese. He's averaging eleven at 22 years old. He also, like you said, hits the big shots and then also not even that. When you watch Indiana, I've never seen a player besides Jokic be able to find somebody every time down the court. If you watch someone, they have budy healed. Every time that buddy healed was open, the ball got to him every single time. Now, that same thing happens with Neesmith. That's why he's so good, because every time that he's open, the ball goes to him. Same with Ben Matherin. He always knows where to find. I mean, yeah. And then Chris Paul, as far as he goes, the reason that he's not is just because I just feel like, yeah, he's a good playmaker, but at the same time, it's not the same way as Tyrese Halliburton making Aaron Neesmith, Miles Turner, Obie, Toppin and Budy. He would all have the best seasons of their career at 22 of years old. [01:11:57] Speaker C: Man, that's tough. I'm going to cut Halberton. [01:12:01] Speaker B: Whoa. [01:12:03] Speaker A: Best playmaker in the league. [01:12:04] Speaker C: Yeah, sorry, but I mean, I just haven't seen it for enough time yet to give him over guys that are, like, proven. I'm going to start Chris Paul, though. I'm going to start Chris Paul. Cut. Bench Trey. I think Chris Paul's the clear start, to be honest. And I think Trey and Halliburton are really close, but just off personal preference. I think Trey has a better all around offensive game than Halliburton does. I think he's better inside the arc than Halliburton is, despite the size difference. And Trey is a really good playmaker. If he had as consistent of weapons as Halliburton did, I think he would be putting up similar numbers. [01:12:44] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:12:44] Speaker C: And then as for Chris Paul, Chris Paul is the best defender of the three by a long shot. It's not really close, dude. [01:12:53] Speaker A: Halliburton. Halliburton will eventually be at that point, though. [01:12:57] Speaker C: Maybe, but yeah, not right now. We haven't seen it yet, so it's just a hypothetical. [01:13:02] Speaker A: I do think Halliburton is going to be, like the first guy to average, like 15 assists. [01:13:06] Speaker C: He could be, but I'm saying, like, if Trey Young was on that team, or if you put Trey young on a team with just shooters like that, which the Hawks have tried to do, but some guys just haven't panned out, like Deandre Hunter, I think. Chris Paul, back to the Chris Paul point, exactly how you were describing Halliburton. That's kind of what Chris Paul was like, especially when he was on the Clippers. The Clippers already kind of had that situation, and I think Chris Paul fits into that role well. And you saw it a lot, especially in the early games that the suns were winning in the finals. When they were there a few years back, he was hitting big shots. Like big shot after big shot. They could not stop Chris Paul from the elbows. When he gets to his spots from the mid range, he's absolutely lethal. He could shoot over Giannis and Lopez. I'll start Chris Paul. [01:13:53] Speaker B: Yeah, this one could really go either way. I'm going to start Halliburton just because this season, playmaking wise, has been one of the all time greats. He's 65 and it can hit really any shot you need to. I know I said we don't really need this point guard to score but if we need a big shot, I trust Tyree Taliberton with his frame and his ability to shoot the three. To do that, I'm going to bench Chris Paul because Kaden really hit the nail on the head with the Chris Paul points. And I'm going to cut Trey Young because he's definitely the worst defender out of the three. Great shooter, great playmaker, but I think. [01:14:27] Speaker A: He'S the best scorer by far. [01:14:30] Speaker B: Yeah, but from the playmaking standpoint and if I want to lead a team to the finals, I think I'd go with Halliburton. But yeah, that was a fun episode. [01:14:40] Speaker C: That was fun. That was a good one. [01:14:41] Speaker B: That was a long, great one. Great job, guys. Thank you all for tuning in to WVUA 90.7 FM and the full court press podcast to stay up to date. Follow us on Instagram at SCP podcast underscore UA. See you all next week. [01:14:54] Speaker C: Peace. [01:15:03] Speaker A: W v UA F m Tuscaloosa.

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